Margarito or Baldomir in 2006, which fight should Floyd have fought???

[The Evil 1-2]

This is my only gripe with Mayweather, I dont think he should have fought Margarito in 2006 because i think Arum would have tied him down to a longer contract which would have compromise any chance of him fighting De la Hoya and Hatton. But he should have fought Cotto/Margarito in 2008, But who are we to say he retired just to avoid those two fights? What evidence do we have?

WELL THEN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, WHAT EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE TO SUGGEST THAT HE ACTUALLY AVOIDED THESE TWO FIGHTERS The man already beat the top 2 guys at 147 in 2006. People then wanted him to go fight the up-and-comers such as Margarito or Cotto IN 2007 AFTER HE BEAT DE LA HOYA AT 154 AND HATTON. If you were in Floyd's shoes, would it make much sense to to fight these guys at THAT POINT IN TIME?????? You already proved your worth at 147 a mere year before by beating the top 2 guys in Judah and Baldo, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME WITH NEW BLOOD THAT WEREN'T EVEN AROUND AT THE TIME?

[War Dinamita]

i thought *****s liked facts? he sold 500k with cotto and probably over a million with pac. baldomir sold 325 with mayweather(the ppv king) and he's a draw? please report back to reality.

pretending somebody isn't a draw is classic ducking mentality.

He sold 500K with the 2nd/3rd biggest draw in the sport at the time. Thanks to Cotto.

He did a million with Pac because of Pac. Margarito is not a draw and will never be a draw.

Let's use your ****** logic... Are you saying Mosley is also a draw because he sold over 500K with DLH and sold 1.4 million with Floyd?

[Ray*]

WELL THEN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, WHAT EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE TO SUGGEST THAT HE ACTUALLY AVOIDED THESE TWO FIGHTERS The man already beat the top 2 guys at 147 in 2006. People then wanted him to go fight the up-and-comers such as Margarito or Cotto IN 2007 AFTER HE BEAT DE LA HOYA AT 154 AND HATTON. If you were in Floyd's shoes, would it make much sense to to fight these guys at THAT POINT IN TIME?????? You already proved your worth at 147 a mere year before by beating the top 2 guys in Judah and Baldo, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME WITH NEW BLOOD THAT WEREN'T EVEN AROUND AT THE TIME?

I didnt feel he needed to fight Margarito in 2006 because of Arum who would try to make him sign a longer contract with Top rank and i would never begrudge him fighting De la hoya and Hatton in 2007 but i didnt like the fact that he retired especially when he could have fought Cotto (after he beat Mosley) or Margarito (After he beat Cotto)..

Those were the time and fights i wanted to happen but never came to fruitition because Mayweather was retired, I dont blame him for retiring because thats his choice but i do not agree with his retirement.

[daggum]

OK, I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU WEREN'T TRYING TO BE RACIST. Just watch your contextual information along with your tone when bringing up somebody's background.

You keep harping on Floyd's ducking of Margartio, but CONVENIENTLY GLANCE OVER KEY FACTORS

1) HE WAS HAVING CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH ARUM
2) HE WAS WAITING FOR A FIGHT WITH DE LA HOYA
3) ON TOP OF THAT, HE WAS PLANNING TO FIGHT CORY SPINKS AT 154, BUT SPINK'S MANDATORY THREATENED LEGAL ACTION
4) TO BOOT, HE GOT PAID THE SAME CUT AGAINST BALDO PLUS PPV REVENUE...YOU SAY MARGARITO WAS THE BIGGER DRAW BASED ON NOTHING BUT YOUR OWN DAMN OPINION. THIS IS A DAMN FORUM; A FORUM IS A PLACE TO EXCHANGE IDEAS; IN AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, THE BEST IDEA AND FACTS COME OUT AND YET YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT THAT YOU LEARN IN HIGH SCHOOL.

your pea brain just can't understand that mentioning someone is from argentina in relation to how big of a draw they are does not have anything to do with race.

so he didn't fight margarito to get to delahoya. does that mean he didn't fight cotto to get to marquez? is he not fighting pac to get to............chavez jr? your "he only fights big money" fights theory is full of holes.

margarito is a bigger draw based on my opinion? well he sold 500k against cotto and probably over a million with pac. baldomir sold 325k vs the ppv king mayweather. other factors in him being a bigger draw. more mexicans than argentinians in the united states. more longevity as a top welterweight. more exposure on boxing networks.

[The Evil 1-2]

I didnt feel he needed to fight Margarito in 2006 because of Arum who would try to make him sign a longer contract with Top rank and i would never begrudge him fighting De la hoya and Hatton in 2007 but i didnt like the fact that he retired especially when he could have fought Cotto (after he beat Mosley) or Margarito (After he beat Cotto)..

Those were the time and fights i wanted to happen but never came to fruitition because Mayweather was retired, I dont blame him for retiring because thats his choice but i do not agree with his retirement.

I respect your sentiments because you seem very level-headed and not bias. But then again, my OPINION is rooted in the question of what else did he need to prove at 147 after coming of a De La Hoya win at 154 and defeating an undefeated Ricky Hatton? The man already beat the top 2 in the welterweight division a MERE YEAR before Hatton and De La Hoya and THEN HE WAS EXPECTED TO DEAL WITH NEW-COMERS THAT WEREN'T THROWN HIS WAY IN 2006????

[daggum]

WELL THEN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, WHAT EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE TO SUGGEST THAT HE ACTUALLY AVOIDED THESE TWO FIGHTERS The man already beat the top 2 guys at 147 in 2006. People then wanted him to go fight the up-and-comers such as Margarito or Cotto IN 2007 AFTER HE BEAT DE LA HOYA AT 154 AND HATTON. If you were in Floyd's shoes, would it make much sense to to fight these guys at THAT POINT IN TIME?????? You already proved your worth at 147 a mere year before by beating the top 2 guys in Judah and Baldo, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME WITH NEW BLOOD THAT WEREN'T EVEN AROUND AT THE TIME?

judah was not a top 2 guy. margarito was ranked number 1 judah number 2. i thought you liked facts? why have you suddenly turned on facts? either you are lying on purpose or very ill informed. click on the link if you dare want to learn the truth. take out the dash between saddo and boxing.

[daggum]

I respect your sentiments because you seem very level-headed and not bias. But then again, my OPINION is rooted in the question of what else did he need to prove at 147 after coming of a De La Hoya win at 154 and defeating an undefeated Ricky Hatton? The man already beat the top 2 in the welterweight division a MERE YEAR before Hatton and De La Hoya and THEN HE WAS EXPECTED TO DEAL WITH NEW-COMERS THAT WEREN'T THROWN HIS WAY IN 2006????

oh when did he beat margarito?

take out the dash between sado and boxing.

the truth is he beat a journeyman and the guy who just lost to that journeyman while avoiding the number 1 guy. what more does he have to prove!

[The Evil 1-2]

your pea brain just can't understand that mentioning someone is from argentina in relation to how big of a draw they are does not have anything to do with race.

so he didn't fight margarito to get to delahoya. does that mean he didn't fight cotto to get to marquez? is he not fighting pac to get to............chavez jr? your "he only fights big money" fights theory is full of holes.

margarito is a bigger draw based on my opinion? well he sold 500k against cotto and probably over a million with pac. baldomir sold 325k vs the ppv king mayweather. other factors in him being a bigger draw. more mexicans than argentinians in the united states. more longevity as a top welterweight. more exposure on boxing networks.

I already addressed MY MISTAKE in terms of your racism. KEEP IN MIND that you were mentioning "Argentinian" along with "journeyman" BEFORE Margarito. If you had mentioned it right off the bat in relation to Margarito's Mexican background, I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD. BUT AGAIN, MY MISTAKE.

It seems like we've found common ground here. You state that, "ok, he didn't fight Margarito to get to De La Hoya." Let's build on that. But what does Cotto have to do with Marquez. What does Chavez Jr. have to do with Pac? It seems you are really struggling to connect dots that aren't there.

Margarito was never in the equation in terms of what the media and general public wanted as an opponent for FMJ. As Brian Kenny stated, "BUT WHY PUT THIS GUY (JUDAH) IN FRONT OF YOU; WHY NOT GO AFTER BALDOMIR"?

Hindsight is always 50-50. Margarito WAS A DRAW because of COTTO; not the other way around buddy. Margarito was never a draw prior; ESPECIALLY IN THIS SPAN OF TIME THAT YOU WANTED FMJ TO FIGHT HIM IN. OK, he only made 325k (ppv) with Baldo, BUT HE STILL GOT THE SAME CUT ON TOP OF PPV REVENUE AND MORE CREDIBILITY BECAUSE BALDO WAS THE LINEAL CHAMP. C'mon man...who was Margarito in that point of time?

[daggum]

I already addressed MY MISTAKE in terms of your racism. KEEP IN MIND that you were mentioning "Argentinian" along with "journeyman" BEFORE Margarito. If you had mentioned it right off the bat in relation to Margarito's Mexican background, I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD. BUT AGAIN, MY MISTAKE.

It seems like we've found common ground here.. But what does Cotto have to do with Marquez. What does Chavez Jr. have to do with Pac? It seems you are really struggling to connect dots that aren't there.

Margarito was never in the equation in terms of what the media and general public wanted as an opponent for FMJ. As Brian Kenny stated, "BUT WHY PUT THIS GUY (JUDAH) IN FRONT OF YOU; WHY NOT GO AFTER BALDOMIR"?

Hindsight is always 50-50. Margarito WAS A DRAW because of COTTO; not the other way around buddy. Margarito was never a draw prior; ESPECIALLY IN THIS SPAN OF TIME THAT YOU WANTED FMJ TO FIGHT HIM IN. OK, he only made 325k (ppv) with Baldo, BUT HE STILL GOT THE SAME CUT ON TOP OF PPV REVENUE AND MORE CREDIBILITY BECAUSE BALDO WAS THE LINEAL CHAMP. C'mon man...who was Margarito in that point of time?

you just want to keep going don't you? it wasn't racist at all. mentioning he is an argentinian and a journeyman is in reference to how obscure he is. a normal journeyman is usually someone who makes the rounds fighting guys we've heard of. this guy was a journeyman who fought mostly in argentina against guys we've never heard of.

the number 1 ranked welterweight was never in the conversation? yea maybe your conversation. most fans wanted to see floyd fight a guy who had been a top welterweight for years not some flash in the pan journeyman who was lineal.

i've already listed so many reasons why margarito is more of a draw than baldomir. you just refuse to acknowledge them. neither margarito or baldomir are A side fighters but if you are picking an opponent to try and do more buys with you would pick margarito if you were smart.

[daggum]

i guess he ran away(like his idol) when presented with factual information that margarito not judah was ranked number 1. you can only make up bullsh-it for so long before you get caught.