Margarito or Baldomir in 2006, which fight should Floyd have fought???

[The Evil 1-2]

oh when did he beat margarito?

take out the dash between sado and boxing.

the truth is he beat a journeyman and the guy who just lost to that journeyman while avoiding the number 1 guy. what more does he have to prove!

You really find any sort of way to discredit Floyd even when they don't stick. I proved Floyd didn't duck Margarito when he was pursuing tougher challenges in Oscar De La Hoya and Cory Spinks. Hell, he wouldn't have fought Baldo if Spinks's mandatory wasn't pressing legal action. BUT YOU STILL DON'T CARE.


- As of January 19th, 2006, Carlos was still the man to chase at 147 because he was the lineal champ at 147. I stand corrected since these rankings show that Margarito was number 1; that's if he did use CREDIBLE RANKINGS. Judah was number 2 and Spinks was number 3 (he's important later on).


- As of May 19th, 2006. CARLOS WAS STILL THE LINEAL CHAMP AT 147, THEREFORE MAKING HIM THE MAN TO CHASE. AT THIS POINT, FLOYD BECOMES NUMBER 1 ON THE LIST OVERTAKING THE TIJUANA TORNADO, which takes away from Margarito ever really deserving a fight against FMJ since he defeated Zab who was number 2 in the previous rankings.


- As of June 7th, 2006. THINGS WERE STILL THE SAME.


- As of August 4th, 2006. THINGS WERE STILL THE SAME


- As of November 7th of 2006. FMJ IS NOW THE UNDISPUTED 147 CHAMP. BALDO BECOMES RELEGATED TO NUMBER 2 WITH ZAB AT NUMBER 3. Now at this point, FMJ is already LOOKING AT 154 FOR A BIGGER PAYDAY AND MORE CREDIBLE IN OPPONENT IN DE LA HOYA AND TO BOOT, HE WAS ALREADY TRYING TO FIGHT SPINKS WHO MOVED UP AND WAS THE CHAMP AT 154 PRIOR TO BALDOMIR.

PLEASE GIVE THE MAN CREDIT...I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA AGAINT FLOYD MAN...

[The Evil 1-2]

i guess he ran away(like his idol) when presented with factual information that margarito not judah was ranked number 1. You can only make up bullsh-it for so long before you get caught.

no bro...i want my scholarship to be based on reason; not shoddy logic not yourself...goodnight

[Ray*]

I respect your sentiments because you seem very level-headed and not bias. But then again, my OPINION is rooted in the question of what else did he need to prove at 147 after coming of a De La Hoya win at 154 and defeating an undefeated Ricky Hatton? The man already beat the top 2 in the welterweight division a MERE YEAR before Hatton and De La Hoya and THEN HE WAS EXPECTED TO DEAL WITH NEW-COMERS THAT WEREN'T THROWN HIS WAY IN 2006????

No problem, But in boxing there is alway one more guy that you need to fight, The circumstances for him to fight Margarito was ripe when Rito beat Cotto to become a bigger name in boxing in around 147, The Cotto fight was ripe after he beat Mosley, Am not sure if the fight could have been made due to the problems between Arum and Mayweather but it would have been nice to see Mayweather continue fighting or show an interest in fighting the Cotto/Margarito winner.

Especially the way Margarito won, The fight would have made Mayweather loads of money and he would have got good credit for beating Margarito right after the Cotto fight.

[The Evil 1-2]

No problem, But in boxing there is alway one more guy that you need to fight, The circumstances for him to fight Margarito was ripe when Rito beat Cotto to become a bigger name in boxing in around 147, The Cotto fight was ripe after he beat Mosley, Am not sure if the fight could have been made due to the problems between Arum and Mayweather but it would have been nice to see Mayweather continue fighting or show an interest in fighting the Cotto/Margarito winner.

Especially the way Margarito won, The fight would have made Mayweather loads of money and he would have got good credit for beating Margarito right after the Cotto fight.

I'm exhausted, lol. You may very well be right in your summations. However, it was all started with the statement, "there's always one more guy you need to fight." In essence then, we, as fans, are never satisfied. Our need to see the greats fight is insatiable. When that insatiable thirst is transferred to the fighter, the result may be unfavorable for both the fan and the fighter. Look at Ali, the man practically fought until he suffered PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES. WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION WHEN A FIGHTER SAYS "NO MAS"? WHO ARE WE???

AS THE GREAT ROOSEVELT STATED:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

[Ray*]

I'm exhausted, lol. You may very well be right in your summations. However, it was all started with the statement, "there's always one more guy you need to fight." In essence then, we, as fans, are never satisfied. Our need to see the greats fight is insatiable. When that insatiable thirst is transferred to the fighter, the result may be unfavorable for both the fan and the fighter. Look at Ali, the man practically fought until he suffered PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES. WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION WHEN A FIGHTER SAYS "NO MAS"? WHO ARE WE???

AS THE GREAT ROOSEVELT STATED:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

No worries i understand.

[The Evil 1-2]

No worries i understand.

Thank you. We need some more guys like yourself in this forum; it would clean it up a great deal. THANK YOU...

[daggum]

no bro...i want my scholarship to be based on reason; not shoddy logic not yourself...goodnight

i presented you with facts and you call that shoddy logic? possessing facts is really the easiest part. understanding those facts is where you fall flat.

fact- margarito was 1 and judah was 2. you kept saying floyd fought the 2 best welterweights but he didn't.

fact-mayweather turned down a career high payday and didn't fight margarito. you say he was waiting for a delahoya fight but then why did he take a fight in the interim against baldomir? he didn't want to risk blowing an oscar fight against margarito for 8 mill but he risked a loss against baldomir for the same 8 mill. remember floyd don't care about belts they just collect dust so why take the baldomir fight for 8 mill and not the margarito fight which was offered first? can you keep up with all of floyd's hypocrisy?

[The Evil 1-2]

i presented you with facts and you call that shoddy logic? possessing facts is really the easiest part. understanding those facts is where you fall flat.

fact- margarito was 1 and judah was 2. you kept saying floyd fought the 2 best welterweights but he didn't.

fact-mayweather turned down a career high payday and didn't fight margarito. you say he was waiting for a delahoya fight but then why did he take a fight in the interim against baldomir? he didn't want to risk blowing an oscar fight against margarito for 8 mill but he risked a loss against baldomir for the same 8 mill. remember floyd don't care about belts they just collect dust so why take the baldomir fight for 8 mill and not the margarito fight which was offered first? can you keep up with all of floyd's hypocrisy?

"Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."-Dan Rafael

DE LA HOYA>MARGARITO
-MORE DANGEROUS, HIGHER WEIGHT, BIGGER PAY
-HE ALREADY BEAT THE MAN TO BEAT AT 147, THE LINEAL CHAMP IN BALDO

*if you still have an issue, take it up with Dan Rafael of ESPN news...

[Hallaqsillaq]

Honestly speaking do you think either Cotto or Marg could have beaten him?

Honestly, do you think Tyson would lose to Buster Douglas?