Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko: David Haye, No More Excuses, Let's Fight!

[imisupu]

Haye and Mayweather are exactly the same the undisputed Pound for Pound the best Talkers in the world the fight will NEVER happen.

[Dave Rado]

I think Vitali is the far harder fight for Haye. I also think the Klitschkos know this.

No, I'm pretty sure Haye thinks the opposite, and so do I. Wlad has a better jab than Vitali, and much more one-punch power, and Vitali is past his prime and is slowing down. The Ruiz fight proved that Haye is extremely susceptible to a decent jab - Ruiz hit him almost at will with his jab, and Wlad's jab is faster, more accurate and far more powerful than Ruiz's. And Haye's suspect chin would be extremely susceptible to Wlad's right cross and left hook, either of which are fully capable of delivering a one punch knock-out. Wlad's chin is also suspect, but to reach it, Haye would have to get past Wlad's jab, and he's very unlikely to be able to do that. Chambers didn't land a single clean punch on Wlad, and his speed is comparable with Haye's, although obviously he has no power, but the point is that if you don't land a single clean punch, which Chambers couldn't, then power is irrelevant.

OTOH, Vitali is much easier to hit cleanly than Wlad is, especially now that he's started to slow down. Sosnowski and Johnson were able to hit him with a good number of clean punches. Even a shot Briggs landed some good power punches flush on Vitali's chin. I think Haye is hoping that by the time he finally steps up to the plate, Vitali will have slowed down still more, to the point that he is able to land regular power shots on him. And Haye does have serious power if he lands cleanly, and nobody's chin is completely indestructible if hit cleanly and often. Vitali has a good jab, but not nearly as good as Wlad's; and unlike Wlad, Vitali never gets one-punch knock-outs.

Wlad has improved dramatically in the last three years, and is far harder to hit than he used to be, and is really just entering his prime, whereas Vitali is easier to hit than he used to be, and is past his prime.

Haye is going to cherry pick Vitali, if he fights a Klitschko at all, because he knows it's his only chance to win, and then he's going to pretend he's taken the harder opponent, and because many people - including yourself apparently - will believe him, he'll get away with it, although in fact it will be a cherry pick. And part of the reason he's delayed fighting them for so long is he wants Vitali to slow down as much as possible before he fights him.

[Bastian Loc]

Vitali is the much harder fight, he's got the more varied arsenal, the more awkward style, more toughness and awesome power. I don't see much power difference between the two and in reality its more than enough to drop glass chinned haye.

The most important thing here is defense and toughness. Wlad's chin is still suspect and his defense isn't as sophisticated as Vitali's.


Easy win for both, but Vitali would put serious hurt on Haye, worst than Wlad imo.

[Spray_resistant]

Vitali is the much harder fight, he's got the more varied arsenal, the more awkward style, more toughness and awesome power. I don't see much power difference between the two and in reality its more than enough to drop glass chinned haye.

The most important thing here is defense and toughness. Wlad's chin is still suspect and his defense isn't as sophisticated as Vitali's.


Easy win for both, but Vitali would put serious hurt on Haye, worst than Wlad imo.

I think Wlad is the harder puncher of the two, faster, and generally more athletic but both easily beat this fraud if he had the stones to fight either of them which he doesn't.

[Bastian Loc]

I think Wlad is the harder puncher of the two, faster, and generally more athletic but both easily beat this fraud if he had the stones to fight either of them which he doesn't.

It appears that way because his technique is more traditional, but I don't think there is much difference and if there is, its negligible.


I disagree about the athleticism. Vitali might not look it now, but he is the far more fluid fighter, even at 38 (see Arreola) but if you watch him when he was younger or his kickboxing days you'll see what I mean.

Wlad throwing 1-2's all night just doesn't do much for me. But I acknowledge his greatness. Its just so clinical its hard to get a boner over it.

[Dave Rado]

I disagree about the athleticism. Vitali might not look it now, but he is the far more fluid fighter, even at 38 (see Arreola) but if you watch him when he was younger or his kickboxing days you'll see what I mean.

Vitali has slowed down a lot since the Arreola fight.

And in his last three fights he's been hit far more than Wlad has in his last three, even though Wlad's competition has been a lot better than Vitali's during that period.

And although he gave a boxing clinic against Arreola, he never seriously hurt him. Wlad would have knocked Arreola out.

[makeMeSushiRoll]

I do not believe in a Haye vs Klitschko fight until I hear the opening bell of that fight. Whatever Haye says in front of the cameras cannot be taken seriously, his retirement plans, fighting the Ks in 2011, nothing... Dude starts to say random BS when the camera is on. He is a good fighter, but I the Klitschkos are better I believe. On the other hand Haye is the master of creating a hype and self-marketing, his past actions may not have made the boxing community like him, but he gets a lot of publicity and I suppose his income rose as well.

[betmen]

hey how to post new threads?? i can find any link to that

[Wesker115]

Considering the mediocre level of opposition Haye has fought as a heavyweight, he is not ready to fight Wlad or Vitali Klitschko. Monte Barret, John Ruiz, and Audrey Harrison are not worthwhile opponents that can help him climb the ladder to success. He needs more experience fighting skilled heavyweights before tackling such a big task. Haye's next opponent should be against Tony Thompson, Alexander Povetkin, or Ruslan Chagaev and then afterward consider the Klitschkos.

I also used to think this. But I believe that this is only relevant to the boxing public and not Haye. Other people believe that he needs to step up gradually whereas he believs he can beat the K bros easily.

If I was Haye I would have taken some fights against decent heavyweight opponents instead of just fighting once a year, but I can see his point that no one would really care if he fights an Arreola or Adamek, it's all about the fights with the Klitchko's who have dominated the division. So why wait around?

Vitali is a much stronger fighter, both physically and mentally than his brother and whilst he isn't as accomplished a boxer, I can see him being very determined and difficult to put away, especially if he has to avenge another of Vlad's losses, again

I just hope these fights actually happen, it's depressing to think otherwise.

[jknightx]

Agreed

No, I'm pretty sure Haye thinks the opposite, and so do I. Wlad has a better jab than Vitali, and much more one-punch power, and Vitali is past his prime and is slowing down. The Ruiz fight proved that Haye is extremely susceptible to a decent jab - Ruiz hit him almost at will with his jab, and Wlad's jab is faster, more accurate and far more powerful than Ruiz's. And Haye's suspect chin would be extremely susceptible to Wlad's right cross and left hook, either of which are fully capable of delivering a one punch knock-out. Wlad's chin is also suspect, but to reach it, Haye would have to get past Wlad's jab, and he's very unlikely to be able to do that. Chambers didn't land a single clean punch on Wlad, and his speed is comparable with Haye's, although obviously he has no power, but the point is that if you don't land a single clean punch, which Chambers couldn't, then power is irrelevant.

OTOH, Vitali is much easier to hit cleanly than Wlad is, especially now that he's started to slow down. Sosnowski and Johnson were able to hit him with a good number of clean punches. Even a shot Briggs landed some good power punches flush on Vitali's chin. I think Haye is hoping that by the time he finally steps up to the plate, Vitali will have slowed down still more, to the point that he is able to land regular power shots on him. And Haye does have serious power if he lands cleanly, and nobody's chin is completely indestructible if hit cleanly and often. Vitali has a good jab, but not nearly as good as Wlad's; and unlike Wlad, Vitali never gets one-punch knock-outs.

Wlad has improved dramatically in the last three years, and is far harder to hit than he used to be, and is really just entering his prime, whereas Vitali is easier to hit than he used to be, and is past his prime.

Haye is going to cherry pick Vitali, if he fights a Klitschko at all, because he knows it's his only chance to win, and then he's going to pretend he's taken the harder opponent, and because many people - including yourself apparently - will believe him, he'll get away with it, although in fact it will be a cherry pick. And part of the reason he's delayed fighting them for so long is he wants Vitali to slow down as much as possible before he fights him.

I completely agree with this post.Vlada jab and straight right sends fear to Hayes.But inthe end I think if Hayes fights Vitali9AVERY BIG IF) he will have a couple of good moments then get beat down in the mid to late rounds.