Dan Rafael: "A seven-day cutoff is quite REASONABLE but Floyd still REFUSED to budge"

[FerdinandMarcos]

He has passed 11 NSAC tests....the test you are talking about are the Mayweather tests that Floyd keeps on insisting. It's a demand not a mandatory. If someone calls somebody a cheater, the reaction will depend on who he is. People are different. If a 12 yr old kid tells me I'm a liar, would I go through a lie detector test to prove I'm not or would I say "Fuck You"?

Switch it around.

If Nanny demanded testing and Floyd refused random tests you'd be talking out the other side of your dog-eating mouth.

[al-Xander]

He has passed 11 NSAC tests....the test you are talking about are the Mayweather tests that Floyd keeps on insisting. It's a demand not a mandatory. If someone calls somebody a cheater, the reaction will depend on who he is. People are different. If a 12 yr old kid tells me I'm a liar, would I go through a lie detector test to prove I'm not or would I say "Fuck You"?

Some folk would actually give that kid a good
smack in the face.

[puga]

it's more than reasonanble.....even without OST is very very reasonabae since its the standard in boxing......OST's are for B1TCHES!

[Red_Menace]

We're not talking about a 12 year old. We're talking about one pro to another. And drug testing in sports is a big deal right now. The only reason Pac isn't being dragged through the mud is because of the unpopularity of the sport, and because everyone hates Mayweather. In another sport, Pac would be trashed.

[ADP02]

No, they didn't. As far as Floyd and Mosley knew, they could still be tested at any time. What Pac's team is asking for is entirely different. They want a window where they are 100% sure they will not be tested. I'm not sure how you can't see or understand the difference.

Edit: And Dan Rafael is an idiot. If Usain Bolt said he didn't want to be tested the week leading up to a race, what would you think? Sorry, but the testing demand was fair, even though it is not standard in boxing at this point. It's an internationally recognized program, and completely safe for athletes.

Ask yourself this question, if Usain Bolt knew that he wouldn't be tested until he signed a contract to state that he would be going to compete in the Olympics. Wouldn't you then call that ****** as well?

Not Manny nor Floyd has to take a single test until they sign the contract. Is that OST?

When Floyd wanted 14 days cut-off did you say that's not right Floyd?
When Manny said the same thing, I bet you call that crazy. Right? What's the difference? Now Manny had gone down to 7 and you are critiquing this like it's already a boxing rule. This is not an official rule of boxing. It's an accusser that had no proof, stating that the other guy needs to take a test because he believes that Manny is a PED user.

Not the same as the Olympics, any way you take it!

[al-Xander]

We're not talking about a 12 year old. We're talking about one pro to another. And drug testing in sports is a big deal right now. The only reason Pac isn't being dragged through the mud is because of the unpopularity of the sport, and because everyone hates Mayweather. In another sport, Pac would be trashed.

C'mon bud, nobody really cares about this OST thing
as exemplified by the forthcoming big boxing events.
Who is raising a voice for the lack of OST in these
fights? No one. Including you.
So the problem why people are upset is because you're
singling out one boxer, who happens to have no history
of ped use.
If you're wondering about the hate Floyd gets, this
should be part of it. A lot of people are extremely
annoyed by it. But I have no interest in stopping you,
guys, but you go ahead and see where it would lead
you to -- circles.

[Red_Menace]

Well, the situation with Usain Bolt, or other international competitors is slightly different because they've been on board with this drug testing program for years now. With Pac and Mayweather, they would have been paving the way. It has to start somewhere, and without a time machine you can't go back and test over time that has already past. Unless the promoters, sanctioning bodies and commissions all agree, there won't be an agreement in place to keep all fighters tested out of competition. Still, having an agreement to participate in a cutting edge testing program would seem like testing to me, even if they didn't have years to start the testing ahead of time. You can't schedule boxing matches years in advance, so starting now is better than starting never.

As for the cutoff, there shouldn't be one. Mayweather never wanted one. He offered the 14 days to try to get the fight done after Pac continually pushed for longer and longer cutoffs, starting at 0, then going to 7, then to 14 then to 24 days.

Whether Mayweather is right or wrong about Manny using, or what his actual motivations are don't matter to me. I like the idea of bringing better testing into boxing. I think Manny ****ed up, and made himself look guilty as hell in the process. There is no reason he needs a cutoff date for any testing. No good reason anyway.

[Red_Menace]

C'mon bud, nobody really cares about this OST thing
as exemplified by the forthcoming big boxing events.
Who is raising a voice for the lack of OST in these
fights? No one. Including you.
So the problem why people are upset is because you're
singling out one boxer, who happens to have no history
of ped use.
If you're wondering about the hate Floyd gets, this
should be part of it. A lot of people are extremely
annoyed by it. But I have no interest in stopping you,
guys, but you go ahead and see where it would lead
you to -- circles.

I'm fully aware the nobody in the boxing world, including its fans care about drug testing. That's pretty obvious. I also happen to think most boxing fans are nationalist ******s, so it doesn't surprise me. It doesn't prevent me from wanting the testing to improve. I'll say right now that all fights should have this kind of testing, I just know it won't happen because the industry is sketchy as hell.

I'm not wondering about people hating Floyd. I hate him too. He's a bad person, and I was hoping he'd get knocked out a long time ago. I do appreciate his talent, but I've never been one to cheer for him.

The Pac thing just bothers me because of his image and how he seems to be getting a free pass that athletes in other sports wouldn't get. Or maybe he's getting a free pass because no one cares about boxing anymore, except for the die hard fans of particular fighters.

And is the reason Manny has no history of PED use because he's clean, or because the testing wasn't good enough to catch him. I'd say the latter is true, regardless of whether he's using or not.

[big_james10]

It's funny how Dan Rafael "forgot" to mention that Floyd offered a 14-day cutoff in the original negotiations and Pac refused. Now, he is saying Floyd refuses to budge as if Floyd never offered a compromise at the beginning. He sounds just like the Pac worshippers on this site who were criticizing Floyd for requesting a 14-day cutoff in the first negotiation. However, when the second non-negotiation took place and Pac allegedly agreed to a 14-day cutoff after Mayweather said it was off the table, it was suddenly a great idea and Mayweather was a coward for rejecting it. ******ity is the norm on this site and among boxing writers in general. I work with mentally ******ed people, but my clients are significantly smarter than the majority of the people who post on this site and Dan Rafael.

[EeZz]

and this fool still doesn't understand the deterrent behind full random drug testing.

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it. And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart.

"[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between. And importantly, the reality is, the people who want to criticize, they were hoping that we were going to blood test the day of the fight or the day before the fight, or two days or four days before the fight," said Tygart.

"And then, they were going to hope and pray that whatever fighter lost, that fighter was going to blame the blood test," said Tygart. "So since that didn't happen -- and that testing didn't need to happen to have an effective program -- they now have to try to complain that the window was too big."

Citing his last defeat, a unanimous decision loss to Erik Morales in March of 2005, the 31-year-old, Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 knockouts) -- a newly-elected, Philippines congressman -- contends that drawing blood within days of the bout weakens him.

...lol drawing a teaspoon of blood weakens him. I still get a kick out of that shit.

If the USADA themselves, is ok with 18 days. Why not 7 days??? DUH?!! lol