two questions on B-Hop's all time standing...

[jrosales13]

Tyson was a don though in his prime. In his prime only Ali stands a chance of beating him.

Holmes lost to Norton and Witherspoon imo and almost got KOed by Shavers.

Hopkins took people to school and arguably hasnt lost a fight since RJJ 1.

Tyson got KO'd in his prime and yes he was in his prime against Douglas. He probably didn't train herd, he probably took it lightly but he was in his prime and god KO'd. So a don? Well eh.....

Holmes beat all 3. And, Shavers is arguably the hardest punching HW of all time.

Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield>Tyson.

Jones>Hopkins.

[Truth]

Don't bring up the toney cop out. James is a professional fighter and he knew that he should come in shape for that fight. but he chose not to. Thats not Roy's fault, Toney has been undisiciplined with eating his whole career, thats probably why he moved to heavyweight.

But even if Toney was hanging with Mike Tyson eating apples and peanuts as his diet, I doubt he beats Roy because Roy was too fast and agile in his prime....

[Truth]

Whereas Roid Jones style is to jucie up on steds and rabbit punch and get KOed by bums like Danny Green.

im not hating hopkins style, im actually a hopkins fan to some degree. And his style has been effective.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Hopkins is already a Top 50 fighter and one of the greatest 160 Pounders ever.

What hes doing now is just extra stuff. Beating the Number 1 175 Pounder furthers his legacy a great deal.

The guy would be the Light Heavyweight Ring Champ at 46.

Nuff said.

[Tyson.]

He's been done for 7 years... Ive been over it.

It doesn't matter... because one fighter has fought on longer more successfully later in his career doesn't mean he's better over all.... If you wanna compare Roy vs Bernard later in there career... make sure you compare what they did for the first 15 years.

The fact you even bring up the rematch in 2010, CLEARLY shows you don't know wtf you are talking about.

Roy was coming off a 1st round tko loss by a bum going into the Hopkins fight and you expect Hopkins to get credit for it?

Hopkins biggest fans on this site dont give him credit for it.

Toney also knocked out a guy at that weight class just FOUR MONTHS before he fought Roy... enough with the excuses.

And if you wanna talk about excuses... Tarver had to lose 40 lbs to fight Bernard from filming the ROcky movie... it works both ways.


Say what you want about Ruiz... he was a solid HW champ.. and NOBODY has done it in 100 years... NOBODY.. so it doesnt make a damn difference what you say about it.

And.. if you wanna talk about bums... how many bums and blown up welterweights are included in Nards 20 title defenses?

I can break down Nards resume just as easy as you can break down Roys... JUST AS EASY.

Hopkins clearly dominated RJJ proving hes the better fighter right now.

Toney balloned and had to lose 44lbs in 8 weeks. Thats basically a whole training camp dedicated to losing weight.

Tarver had much longer to lose that weight and he even said himself that weight was not the issue for losing the fight. He went onto win a belt at LHW and be competitive with Dawson.

Ruiz was a paper champ, in the 100 years prior alot of ATG and HOF LHW's would of been able to replicate what RJJ did. RJJ beat a heavyweight contender thats all it is.

Who DLH and Trinidad both MW champions. Hopkins fought DLH at 156 and Tito was unbeaten. Its well known RJJ ducked and doged the best out there. His run at LHW is questionable seen as he lost to the best he fought there.

[Truth]

Hopkins is already a Top 50 fighter and one of the greatest 160 Pounders ever.

What hes doing now is just extra stuff. Beating the Number 1 175 Pounder furthers his legacy a great deal.

The guy would be the Light Heavyweight Ring Champ at 46.

Nuff said.

My thread was never degrading hopkins standing all time, I agree with your post 100%.

[djtmal]

Yeah, because losing a competitive decision against a prime ATG and 3 fights past the age of 40, 1 to a HOFer really reflects badly on him.

Last I checked "competitive decisions" don't count. Its either a win, or a loss. I'm sorry my friend, Hopkins LOST.

You're obviously a ****ing troll, but I want to address these points. Boxing fans like to mention the losses way too much. As if, I couldn't pull out losses from pretty much every top 50 ATGs resume worse than close decision losses to Jones, Calzaghe, and Taylor.

Its obvious that you are on this f**ing troll's nuts. Don't bother pulling out losses from anybody else. Stick to the fighter in question and can the "competitive decisions" excuse. A loss is a loss, and in the case of JT, he promised a ko in the rematch and got beat more decisively by someone everyone agreed was far greener and should have been "executed" with no problem. Lower rung of top 200 atg is all I would give him and i'm being generous today.

[THE REED]

Hopkins clearly dominated RJJ proving hes the better fighter right now.

Toney balloned and had to lose 44lbs in 8 weeks. Thats basically a whole training camp dedicated to losing weight.

Tarver had much longer to lose that weight and he even said himself that weight was not the issue for losing the fight. He went onto win a belt at LHW and be competitive with Dawson.

Ruiz was a paper champ, in the 100 years prior alot of ATG and HOF LHW's would of been able to replicate what RJJ did. RJJ beat a heavyweight contender thats all it is.

Who DLH and Trinidad both MW champions. Hopkins fought DLH at 156 and Tito was unbeaten. Its well known RJJ ducked and doged the best out there. His run at LHW is questionable seen as he lost to the best he fought there.

Seriously, what a joke.


I'll stick to debating the likes of Street Bully and Natas, better, more valuable, more knowledgeable Hopkins fans than you.

They also show respect, and don't disregard everything Roy has done, as if every accomplishment he's done is nothing.

Why would I ever debate someone who literally uses an excuse for every single one of Roys accomplishments and over exaggerates and blows up Bernard.

Not too mention using the 2010 rematch as a reason he's better

Don't waste your time, cartoons are on.

[Tyson.]

Tyson got KO'd in his prime and yes he was in his prime against Douglas. He probably didn't train herd, he probably took it lightly but he was in his prime and god KO'd. So a don? Well eh.....

Holmes beat all 3. And, Shavers is arguably the hardest punching HW of all time.

Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield>Tyson.

Jones>Hopkins.

Tyson was past prime after the spinks fight. He actually KOed Douglous but the ref gave buster a long count which saved him.

Holmes got a gift decison against 2 and was lucky to survive Shavers.

Tito got f#cked up by Hopkins get over it man.

Why are Holmes, lewis and Holyfield better than Tyson? Jones better than Hopkins. Is it because you dislike Hopkins and Tyson as they are ****** ?

Hopkins is already a Top 50 fighter and one of the greatest 160 Pounders ever.

What hes doing now is just extra stuff. Beating the Number 1 175 Pounder furthers his legacy a great deal.

The guy would be the Light Heavyweight Ring Champ at 46.

Nuff said.

This guy knows what hes talking about.

[Truth]

Its well known RJJ ducked and doged the best out there. His run at LHW is questionable seen as he lost to the best he fought there.

- Mclellan suffered a serious eye injury and was forced to retire in 95.
-Roy tried to make a fight with Nigel Benn, Benn didnt call him back, he was going through a divorce at the time
-Roy tried to make a fight with Frankie Liles, Liles turned it down.

theres other examples too. I just dont remember them all.

The one guy you can truly say he ducked was darius michaelzweski. The others are debatable whether he really ducked them.