Horus Presents: WHY is Team Pacquiao making getting 50% a STICKING POINT!!!

[BritishBoxing92]

Horus....forget for a second all the PPVs and hits and all the money made and ****....50/50 split from a $50,000,000 split is fair enough...forget that whole 60/40 to the winner **** because it aint going to win...pac has now accepted the 14 day window deal drug testing and i dont care what guys like floyd sr say **** like "why do it now?? he waited for the steroids to clear out of his system" would you rather see the biggest super fight in so many years happen or would you rather it fall down because of some ****ty greedy demand for more cash?? its already enough for pacs reputation that mayweather and his big mouth have damaged his reputation since before the whole mayweather/pac talks happened no one suspected pacqiuao to be taking drugs...so 50-50 split is fair enough plus they both will get paid PPV sales as well..

[madsweeney]

I give that this fight would probably be as big as Mayweather vs. De la hoya.
but that doesnt change the fact that when everything is considered.
they are not equal in terms of financial consideration.

Which is the point, if everyone knows that Pacquiao is not a equal draw as Mayweather, why is he making 50% a sticking point.???

they are not equal.
The true objective measures to prove this which are numbers proved this.
Anyone who can count should understand this point.

Your not being objective with your consideration. Look at the big picture, who else sells anywhere near Pac or Mayweather right now? When you look at it in those terms they are equals. If you go into details, yes Mayweather has sold more but not enough more to justify IMO the lions share of a megafight of this magnitude.

DLH took the lions share beacause Mayweather wasn't selling **** before that fight, things would be very different if they fought now (most likely 50/50)

End of the day though who gives a ****. I just want to see the damn fight, I don't care how much these guys make. But to people like you, Mayweather's pocket means more than the fight otherwise you wouldn't have typed a 4 page dissertation on why he deserves more.

[Chups]

I didn't know Pacquiao had more PPV than Floyd. Thanks for the Info.

[Twako]

Based on your logic, We should never used fighters past as a measure to place their present, unfortunately for your logic it doesn’t apply to current world circumstances and procedures.


right now Pacquiao just did 700k ppv vs. Mayweather 1.4 PPV.

Like I said before, the deciding factors behind determining what a fighter should received when it comes to the split of the revenue.

Are Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated.

These measures are the only true and fair measures to determine what should fairly get distributed during a purse dispute. As a result, any reasonable person with a decent education can see that Team Pacquiao by both measures of Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated has not earned or deserve the right to make getting 50% of the money a sticking point in order to get the fight.

now this makes you really look ******. comparing clottey to mosley???

i would think you would know better than to compare those fights' ppvs but you're becoming a joke of a poster really.

[Mojita]

To me for Team Pac to have the audacity to demand 50/50 is bull****, now if Team Mayweather was kind enough to offer a split fine, but for these guys to act like they bringing in 50% of the revenue is a joke. Floyd sells the fights period, he is the guy who generates the big money not Pacquiao.

We're discussing money in a boxing forum.

**** - any moderator read this ****? Let's open up a "Mayweather Fan Accounting Forum" - flood the bull**** out.

**** ever happened to just shutting up LET THEM handle the contracts despite whoever earned whatever? **** man, their money has **** todo with you peasant ass people.

[megadeth]

lol at this poster never getting the point. he meant floyd agreed to 50/50 before why not now?

and if pac is fine w/ the 14day cutoff now, at least thats a step in the right direction, while floyd's upping his split is in the WRONG direction of making the fight happen.

see the difference???

Because, comparing their PPV histories, floyd was being generous giving him in the first place.He conceded to all Pac's demands(to get the fight done), then Pac & co. tried to make him look like the bad guy in the negotiations. Pac was the one that didn't take the fight and floyd said the offer would be off the table if his PPV did better. Let me ask u, were u praising Floyd in the previous negotiations for accepting 50-50 when clearly Pac didn't deserve it? I'm sure I know the answer to that one.

So I take it u were saying that when Pac went from agreeing OSDT orignally, to 3 day to 5 days to 30 day to 24 days. Were u calling Pac out then?

[Ravishing]

Based on your logic, We should never used fighters past as a measure to place their present, unfortunately for your logic it doesn’t apply to current world circumstances and procedures.


right now Pacquiao just did 700k ppv vs. Mayweather 1.4 PPV.

Like I said before, the deciding factors behind determining what a fighter should received when it comes to the split of the revenue.

Are Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated.

These measures are the only true and fair measures to determine what should fairly get distributed during a purse dispute. As a result, any reasonable person with a decent education can see that Team Pacquiao by both measures of Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated has not earned or deserve the right to make getting 50% of the money a sticking point in order to get the fight.

But what are you going to say when the fight is announced as a 50/50 split? That Floyd was treated unfairly by GBP and TR and what a travesty it is that he's not getting a "deserved" share of the pie (which is still more than he'd ever or ever has made), or are you gonna be happy the fight is finally signed? You can throw out all the facts you'd like, but sometimes things don't always come to fruition as you may see them on paper.

Men lie, Women lie, Numbers can be adjusted

[Horus]

Honestly Horus I think the argument boils down to this; is 150k more buys enough to justify anything more than 50-50? I honestly don't believe it is which is why I feel the fight should be 50-50. I'm a Pac fan no doubt, but I also said the same thing when Pac did 1.25 with Cotto vs. Floyd only doing 1 million with Marquez. 50-50 was fair then just like it is now.

FWIW Marquez has headlined just as many PPV's as Cotto if not more. Not saying that he is a bigger draw than Miguel, but this is something I found interesting when people were claiming Mayweather carried that PPV by himself.

Your Argument would hold weight if the numbers backed up your argument.
once again.

Below are the statistical facts behind fundamental and deciding factors behind determining what a fighter should received when it comes to the split of the revenue. Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated. This the measures are the only true and fair measures to determine what should fairly get distributed during a purse dispute. As a result, any reasonable person with a decent education can see that Team Pacquiao by both measures of Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated has not earned or deserve the right to make getting 50% of the money a sticking point in order to get the fight.

By team Pacquiao making 50% a sticking point, they are effectively letting us boxing fans know, they have no interest in this fight, unless they can receive money by all measures they have no merit to earn or be rewarded with, when they have a possible opponent who has undisputable claim backed by facts that they deserves more financial consideration based on what the facts tell us.

$Previous Guaranteed Purses and Previous Fight Revenue income generated.$

Floyd Mayweather Guaranteed Purses:
Floyd Mayweather $ 22.5 Million vs. Mosley $7 Million
Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez JMM $4 Millio
Floyd Mayweather $11 Million vs. Ricky Hatton $6 Million
Floyd Mayweather $10 Million vs. Oscar De La Hoya $23.3 Million
Floyd Mayweather $8 Million vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir $1.6million.
Floyd Mayweather $5 Million vs. Zab Judah $1 Million
Floyd Mayweather $4 Million vs. Shamba Mitchell 375k
Floyd Mayweather $3.2 Million vs. Arturo Gatti $3.5 Million
Floyd Mayweather $3 Million vs. De Marcus Corley $150.000
Floyd Mayweather $1.5 Million vs. Diego Corrales $1.25 million
Floyd Mayweather $150.000k vs. Genaro Hernandez $600k

* Oscar De La Hoya also gave Mayweather a percentage of the PPV revenue. This was the first time De La Hoya ever did this, all his previous opponents got a guaranteed amount; no more, no less, no share of the PPV revenue. Mayweather walked away with between $22 and $30 million,

Mayweather Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights: $ 11 Million

Mayweather Highest Purse: $22.5 Million

Manny Pacquiao Guaranteed Purses:

Pacquiao $12 Million vs. Clottey $1.5 Million
Pacquiao $7.5 million vs. Miguel Cotto $4 Million Pacquiao $12 million vs. Ricky Hatton $11 Million
Pacquiao $6 Million vs. De la Hoya $20 Million
Pacquiao $3 million vs. David Diaz 800k
Pacquiao $2.5 Million vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 2 $500
Pacquiao $650.000 vs Juan Manuel Marquez $500k

Manny Pacquiao Average Guaranteed Purse for his Past 6 Fights:
$ 7.16 Million

Manny Pacquiao Highest Purse: $12 Million

Mayweather 7 Pay Per View Fights
6.9 Million Buys and $342 Million

June 2005 Mayweather vs. Arturo Gatti 365k= $16.5 million
Apr. 2006 Mayweather vs. Zab Judah 375k = $ $16.8 million
Sep 2006 Mayweather vs. Carlos Baldomir 325k = $16.3 Million
May 2007 Mayweather vs. De la Hoya 2.44M=$136.6 Million
Dec 2007 Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton 920k=$50 Million
Sep 2009 Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquz 1.1M=$52 Million
May 2010 Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley 1.4M=78.3 Million

Pacquiao's 12 pay-per-view fights
6.25 million buys and $320 million
June 2008: Pacquiao vs. David Diaz 250k PPV = $12.5 Million
Dec 2008: Pacquiao vs. De la Hoya 1.25M PPV= $70 Million
May 2009: Pacquaio vs. Ricky Hatton 800k PPV= $43 Million
Nov 2009: Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto 1.25 M PPV = $68 Million
Mar 2010: Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey 700k PPV= $35 Million

other ppv:
Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys

[Twako]

horus, basing a ppv split on fighters past guaranteed purses IS DUMB.

[SoZe]

We're discussing money in a boxing forum.

**** - any moderator read this ****? Let's open up a "Mayweather Fan Accounting Forum" - flood the bull**** out.

**** ever happened to just shutting up LET THEM handle the contracts despite whoever earned whatever? **** man, their money has **** to do with you peasant ass people.

AMEN. It used to be most boxing fans cared about what happened inside the ring, now Floyd fans just jack off to pictures of cash and financial statements.