Who Belives Rjj Weight Lost Effected Him!!

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

People try to connect Balco and Roy but unlike Shane Mosley and Barry Bonds, Roy lives in the "semi-boonies" on the outskirts of Pensacola and not near Balco in California.

There are ways to test positive for steroids without actually having taken them. However, I am open minded to the idea that he could have taken them, but, even so, many people argue steroids do not help boxers much if at all, and others argue that they actually hurt boxers.

In any case, steroids is a whole other complicated issue. We could make a whole new thread on that...lol.

[Mr. Ryan]

Toney was a counter-puncher and Jones dominated him. Griffin got Ko'd in the rematch with ferocity and was near it in the first match.

Toney was woefully out of shape for the Jones fight. Toney was 217 when he went into training camp 6 weeks before the fight. He put on 20 lbs. over night for the Jones fight.

Tarver's being a southpaw had an effect, but that effect was played out. Jones has dominated plenty of southpaws. If Tarver was anything special Johnson would not have KO'd Jones later on.

I suppose Richard Hall is the World Series, right?

Tarver is not the "world-series" when it comes to boxers either. That's why he got beat (although a good close fight) to a 34-35 yr old Glen Johnson. You do not drop a decision to a guy like Johnson if you are the "world-series" of boxing.

And you don't get KO'ed by them either, right?
Karma would be appreciated.

[The Phantom Menace]

when you have a glass chin eventually it will catch up to you.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Toney was woefully out of shape for the Jones fight. Toney was 217 when he went into training camp 6 weeks before the fight. He put on 20 lbs. over night for the Jones fight.

That may be, but, Jones lost muscle to fight Tarver and that has longer term damage, so that logic also applies to Roy after his fall from heavyweight.

I suppose Richard Hall is the World Series, right?

Is this supposed to be a comeback? I'm just showing my point of view. Richard Hall certainly isn't the world series, and neither is Tarver, ya dig?

And you don't get KO'ed by them either, right?

Don't ignore the context of the situation. Roy was KO'd after 9 rounds in his probable last fight as a pro at age 35 having already gone through hell with Tarver. Tarver is in his prime and lost to Johnson. Tarver went pro in 1997, Jones in 88-89.

There really is no legitimate reason to say prime Tarver beats prime Roy in my opinion...and what kind of karma were you expecting from me anyway? I don't agree with you obviously, but I do not want to give you bad karma, so I'll just leave it be.

[Mr. Ryan]

Roy Jones was one of those guys whose career was all about stats, kind of like "Look, I won 40 fights without a loss, I could beat Ray Robinson." I don't respect Roy Jones as a fighter. I think he was very talented, but at Tarver's stage of his career he has the better opposition than Jones.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Do you mean to say that if you compared Tarver's first 23 fights (or however many he has) with Roy's first 23 or so that Tarver's resume is better?

Roy's career wasn't all about stats either. However, if you choose not to respect him, that's fine, he is a grown man and doesn't really need your respect I'm sure. He did come down to fight Tarver, he did challange Ruiz, and those were things he didn't have to do.

Roy's career being about stats is mainly a matter of circumstance in my opinion because there just aren't many good fighters in the light-heavyweight division. That's what Tarver/Johnson will see...now that they are champ, they'll have no one to fight but each other. Hell, it wasn't even worth seeing Jones-Tarver until Jones was 35.

[Mr. Ryan]

Roy Jones' legacy is based on conditions, which is sad. True, he won a portion of the heavyweight title, but beat John Ruiz for the belt instead of Lennox Lewis. Are you going to tell me that in all his infinite influence, he couldn't have gotten Lennox Lewis?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Roy Jones' legacy is based on conditions, which is sad.

What does that mean exactly? Explain.

Also, it's not up to just one man to make a fight. Lennox never showed he wanted to fight Roy, and I can understand why...high risk, not as much reward.

Are you a Roy "hater"? How much do you dislike Roy? I'm just wondering because you are a major Hamed fan it seems and I could tak some mad **** about him if I wanted to, but I don't.

[Mr. Ryan]

What does that mean exactly? Explain.

Also, it's not up to just one man to make a fight. Lennox never showed he wanted to fight Roy, and I can understand why...high risk, not as much reward.

Are you a Roy "hater"? How much do you dislike Roy? I'm just wondering because you are a major Hamed fan it seems and I could tak some mad **** about him if I wanted to, but I don't.

I talk the most **** about Hamed. I'm not a Roy Jones hater, I just don't like how Jones is making all these excuses about how he lost weight and that made him lose. Jones says hes better than Tarver because he won the first round, all this bull****. I think Roy Jones is not as good as people say he was. He was the best of his generation, but he didn't fight the top fighters he should've. He was p4p the best only after Whitaker's loss to DLH.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

lol..ok then.

Still, Roy's legacy isn't sad at all in my opinion. He moved up in weight and foguth guys that were bigger. Those excuses you are talking about are legitimate. They are not false just because Roy says them.

Also, this thing about Roy saying he's better cuz he won the first round...I never heard Roy say that. In any case, Roy was better than Tarver, make no mistake, but these days I'd lean towards no obviously. Roy's lack of strong opposition is a partiallya combonation of the fact that there just simply weren't that many good light-heavyweights to choose from.

As far as the 2nd Tarver fight goes, I don't remember if he said anything about the weight, but for me it doesn't matter because anything after heavyweight Roy was a changed and depleted man, perhaps mentally as well as physically.

"The best of his generation" is pretty fair though...