Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao: A Decade of Dominance Honored

[Khalid X]

Hate is such a weak emotion. Just give Manny props instead of whining and complaining. He deserves everything he has accomplished....peace

[ummeed]

If I was Floyd I would:

1) Smash Manny's ass
2) Beat Martinez
3) Beat Williams if he's still standing (optional)
Then retire and when the BS writers try to give me an award I would tell them to f--k off and go give it to Manny. LMFAO

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[Targaryen]

And the numpties turn it into a Pacquiao v Mayweather debate. : /

[Arthas]

This is not based on BS awards. The bottom line is Manny has losses and draws on his record while Floyd is still undefeated and has fought the toughest fights in every division he has been in. Why didn't Manny fight Zahir after Zahir soundly smashed Morales? Why not a much warranted 3rd Marquez fight? Why not Shane at 147 instead of Cotto? Beating Morales in their last fight is equivalent to beating Roy Jones now. Just a name and Manny has a bunch of name fighters on his record that he fought on their down slope.

But we aren't talking about records and bull**** like this, we are talking about real fights. In the real fights Floyd lost once against a prime Castillo. And how can you say he fought the best in every division. Was Baldomir the best at welter, was Gatti the best at junior welter, was Oscar de la Hoya the best at 154? You know that's what I mean when I say you guys are a bit to much into being just fans.

[Sugar Q]

Floyd has the talent, he has great conditioning, I have nothing against him. I like the fact he is always in great shape, but we have to see the truth. You talk about the Castillo fight, he lost the first fight, the fact that he won decisively the second one doesn't erase the fact he got beat in the first. It happened, maybe Floyd had a bad night, maybe an injury as he claims, but he formally won the fight just because the judges gave it to him. Now let's talk about who he faced to win titles:

Baldomir - you say he was the linear champion, did that make him a great fighter, a top welterweight, in the top 3 in the world? Baldomir had 5 loses and let's face it no skills. Floyd beat him, won the title but that doesn't make this a great achievement.
Gatti - nothing to say, old past his prime, been through wars
De la Hoya - was past his prime, not a dead man walking as when he fought Pacquiao but still past his best

He also beat Hatton who was a junior welterweight and Marquez a 36 years old lightweight. I read a comment which I thought was very good that stated he left the welterweight division and retired when the heat was on and came back just after the division cooled down and this is so true. Now talking about Mosley, Mosley surely wasn't the Mosley that fought Cotto, he was 3 years older, 39 years old and came to the fight after a layoff of 16 months. Floyd beat him, did a good job, but Mosley is a 39 years old guy, it's not like he fought a prime Mosley, the best Mosley or at least a past his prime Mosley but still a good fighter like he was when he fought Cotto.

That's the history. Sorry to say that, Floyd has great talent I even like seeing him fight, but after Castillo he never fought a guy of his size in his prime. The only fighter he fought after Castillo who was in his prime was Hatton but Hatton was a light welter.
He could of fought true challenges like Cotto in 2008, Paul Williams, Antonio Margacheato (not fighting him was a good idea). And please don't tell me that Manny is the same or stuff like that as a response.

Dude your clearly a Pac fan. You say PBF lost to Castillo but the judges didnt say that and an immediate rematch win clearly says Floyd knew he could beat Castillo. I never heard Castillo call for a 3rd fight did you? I think Floyd retired to rest his hands, to not fight against his dad and to allow his body to rest cause aint nobody duck no Margarito or Cotto and Paul Williams wasn't ready for Floyd at that time. Cotto could've fought him coming up from 135 too when he clearly called Cotto out several times. Boxing is not about waiting till Cotto's ready. It's funny now Shane was "38" and over the hill but Manny wanted absolutely no part of him. Im sure you heard Shane begging for a fight with Pac in the press, agreeing to anything Pac wanted to make the fight? So since Shane was so old and over the hill why did'nt Manny face him? Hatton was unbeaten and had already fought at 147 but your insinuating Hatton was too small? Marquez was 36 but the number 2 P4P FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. Once again a fighter calling Manny out that Manny wanted no part of but when Floyd beats the Man who gave Manny 24 rounds of hell Marquez was 36 and too small. If an unknown steps up and beats Bradley right now at 140 no matter what you think of him he becomes the linear champ at 140 and that's what happen when Baldomir beat the linear champ Zab. Floyd is not only always in great condition NO ONE has ever defeated him. Floyd fought 24 rounds with Castillo and Castillo didnt wanna fight him again, Manny fought 24 rounds with Marquez and Marquez has been chasing him for a 3rd fight ever since. What's wrong with that picture?

[Arthas]

Dude your clearly a Pac fan. You say he lost to Castillo but the judges didnt say that and an immediate rematch win clearly says Floyd knew he could beat Castillo. I never heard Castillo call for a 3rd fight did you? I think Floyd retired to rest his hands, to not fight against his dad and to allow his body to rest cause aint nobody duck no Margarito or Cotto and Paul Williams wasn't ready for Floyd at that time. Cotto could've fought him coming up from 135 too when he clearly called Cotto out several times. Boxing is not about waiting till Cotto's ready. It's funny Shane was 39 and over the hill but Manny wanted absolutely no part of him. Im sure you heard Shane begging for a fight with Pac in the press, agreeing to anything Pac wanted to make the fight? So since Shane was so old and over the hill why did'nt Manny face him? Hatton was unbeaten and had already fought at 147 but your insinuating Hatton was too small? Marquez was 36 but the number 2 P4P FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. Once again a fighter calling Manny out that Manny wanted no part of but when Floyd beats the Man who gave Manny 24 rounds of hell Marquez was 36 and too small. If an unknown steps up and beats Bradley right now at 140 no matter what you think of him he becomes the linear champ at 140 and that's what happen when Baldomir beat the linear champ Zab. Floyd is not only always i great condition NO ONE has ever defeated him. Floyd fought 24 rounds with Castillo and Castillo didnt wanna fight him again, Manny fought 24 rounds with Marquez and Marquez has been chasing him for a 3rd fight ever since. What's wrong with that picture?

I'm not a Pacquiao fan, even if I disagree with you. I told you, I even think he is on steroids (but can't say that until there is some prove), I think Floyd is right when he says he should take the tests. So I hope that is cleared out.

And yes Hatton was a 140pounder, he was clearly the smaller man and the size difference was obvious in the fight. Castillo didn't want to fight him again because he clearly lost the second fight, but that doesn't mean he didn't win the first fight. The judges gave it to Floyd, you might think otherwise.
Now about Marquez, let's face it he is a lightweight, he had to move to 147 to fight Floyd, does that seem fair (Marquez just wanted a paycheck, he had no chance at 147). Floyd didn't even make the effort to make 145 (not that I would have made a difference) but still not fair play given the fact that Marquez came up from 135. Plus Marquez was 36 years old. About Baldomir I'm not going to say anything more, we all know what he is all about. Floyd got the title from him but we are not talking about bull**** titles but about fighters and real challenges. Margacheato wasn't ready for Floyd, Margacheato called him out face to face. Floyd never called Cotto out, after the Hatton fight he said when asked "aren't you going to fight Cotto a talented up end coming star from Puerto Rico" he answered "I am not calling out no welterweights", "Cotto is one hell of a champion", " I am not going to let the sport retire me, I will retire from the sport". Williams was ready too but that didn't happen either, maybe it will this time hopefully at 154 cus Williams can't make 147, I think.
About Mosley I've said what was to be said.

[mikemurni]

This is not based on BS awards. The bottom line is Manny has losses and draws on his record while Floyd is still undefeated and has fought the toughest fights in every division he has been in. Why didn't Manny fight Zahir after Zahir soundly smashed Morales? Why not a much warranted 3rd Marquez fight? Why not Shane at 147 instead of Cotto? Beating Morales in their last fight is equivalent to beating Roy Jones now. Just a name and Manny has a bunch of name fighters on his record that he fought on their down slope.

Thats too many excuses in my book. Because if you want to look at the fighter based on their undefeated record then you might as well follow fighters like Chris John, and Chavez Jr. who until now are still undefeated. And elevate them in the P4P list.

If you want to look at excuses then you can say that Floyd's win against undefeated fighters were even suspect at best. Corales was dehydrated and was mentally unfocused (facing jail time), and people thought he lost against Castillo.

Every fighter's resume can be broken down to excuses. It is what people say before the fight that matters. And in almost all of Pac's fight, it was either Pac was the underdog, 50/50, or at best Pac being a slight favorite.

And here is the thing, Pac has 3 loses and had been in many wars himself. When Floyd beats Pac, if that fight ever did happen, then we might as well discredit him for that win as early as now.

[Pullcounter]

cong**** to congressman manny pacquiao!!!

[Vadrigar.]

Manny pacquaio is one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen. I just think to myself, when will this guy start declining or be out of his prime?

will it ever happen?

[trainhard_187]

Take the 4 top 130lbs fights in early to mid 2000's
Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao

Pac has fought all three men 3x 1 lost and 1 draw...

Later in the decade he steps up slaughters Diaz for a title, stops Delaquitter, KO' Hatton to a pulp, Slaughters Cotto, and UD Clottey..

Pretty impressive decade to me..

Why didnt Floyd get the award, for the simple fact of asking the question, Why wasnt Floyd fight this particular fighter when he took an easier route.
Floyd took a year off and could of made cemented his legacy with wins over Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Shane etc.. but he refused to..