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Originally posted by jayhova29 View Posthe announced he was fighting the day of that fight, why does he have to wait. Fact of the matter is you can make the same arguments about both fighters. Bob arum was negotiating with Yuri Foreman to fight Pacquaio at 154lbs, this is while they were still negotiating with mayweather, and the day that had the mediator oversee negotiations, bob arum was already saying that his fighter was going to fight Clottey, so the only person that sounds scared or is ducking is Manny Random. Before he even fought hatton you never heard a peep about Pacquaio wanting to fight mayweather. Now all of a sudden he's ducking him because he didnt wait 2 see who won between pac/hatton. WHat if hatton one, was he suppose to fight him again. But then again he could take a page from Manny's book, and fought the loser, knock him out, and we can all pro-claim how great he is.
please, take a look at the list of manny's opponents since he moved up. He fought David Diaz, when there was Juan Diaz and Nate campbell at that division. He fought De La Hoya at WW, who didnt fight at that division in almost a decaded. After he took a beating from Mayweather at his respective 154lb jr middleweight division. Whats worse is that De La Hoya was already at a handicap because Roach coached him to his loss to mayweather, then probably told Pacquaio where de la hoya was weak at an manny capitalized. Prior to the fight Roach has always said that Oscar cant pull the trigger anymore and that's why he fought him then. He fought Hatton, after Mayweather knocked him out. Then Fought cotto, who in his last 3 fights prior to Pacquiao, got his ass handed to him by Margarito, had a confidence building fight with a novice Michael Jennings, then another close call win(could've gone either way) to Clottey. Now he's fighting Clottey, who just lost, to the guy that Pacquaio just demolished, and im suppose to look at this guy's body of work over the last 3 to 4years, and pretend that it adds up to the 13 year career of Mayweather's. lol, This guy has a fight on saturday and him and his trainer are still talking Mayweather, if you felt you won negotiations you would let the loser do the talking. That's what Mayweather is doing. Team Pacquiao looks desperate to save his image here in the states.
the things is, you are like the mayweathers, you cant believe pac can accomplish those wins. So you cloud your thoughts with su****ions.
I think mayweather has the advantage and will give pac trouble inside the ring. BUT I also think that among those floyd fought, pac is the most dangerous and pose the greatest threat to his "0" loss. Even though roger, floyd and SR. thinks that pac is beatable, they fear him. And what is the best way to counter a loss? its making doubts.. they want fans to doubt manny incase he wins against PBF.
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Originally posted by JCaster View Postand you believe that ****? If floyd wins pac will take the tests, floyd will now use the purse split to **** the fight again. He will ask not less than 60%.
Just think simple. the fight between pac and floyd could have pushed through without the OST. just like other great fights. they would be fighting this weekend if not for those additional tests.
May vs. Gatti
May vs. Corrales
May vs. Judah
May vs. Hatton
Pac vs. Barrera
Pac vs. Morales
Pac vs. Marquez
all those fights are successful and didnt have those additonal tests.
Pac vs. May. whats the difference?
To try and answer your question, i think like most people when they heard mayweather asked for additional testing they thought, floyd was either trying to get out the fight, or just trying to get in manny's head. Had manny of just walked away, and said everything that his fans are saying now, we would look at him like he was taking the high road, but once he entertained the thought, and it never materialized people started asking why? This is the 1st time that i can remember that the fighter who is being called scared is the one who signed his contract, while the other figher, who's camp had numerous excuses once the word RANDOM was placed in front of blood testing is getting a pass. If Americans in non combative sports would lie to the american public using steroids and ped's why should i give Pacquiao a pass when his camp straight out said NO to random test. If that doesnt raise eyebrows then you guys jerk-off too Manny's picture and bust your not on FLoyds. So im not saying manny is guilty, im just saying he looks that way the longer this drags on him and roach keep talking about floyd, they know they lost the 1st part of this negotiation battle. Thats why they keep running their mouth's.
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Originally posted by mrjoeblive View Postoh come on caster, im just saying if pac wants credit for defeating all these different wt classes he should fight at the wt limit of each class. he should not get credit for beating guys at CATCH WTs and its no big secret he fought plenty of guys at catch wts. i dont think one fighter should have an edge over another. if he wants the ww title he should fight at the ww limit of 147 not force guys to come down to 142 and such. thats a crappy move. smart but crappy.
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Boy, if Pac KO's Clottey, I think the fight will NEVER happen. Jr will **** his pants and retire.
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[QUOTE=JCaster;7707921]Its not pacquiao's fault if those what you called "shot" fighter lost to him. Coz tbh i didnt gave him a chance against Oscar.. You only consider them shot, weak, dehydrated, old, slow etc.. because pac beats them. if dela hoya murdered pac in that ring you wouldnt be saying he's shot.
the things is, you are like the mayweathers, you cant believe pac can accomplish those wins. So you cloud your thoughts with su****ions.
I think mayweather has the advantage and will give pac trouble inside the ring. BUT I also think that among those floyd fought, pac is the most dangerous and pose the greatest threat to his "0" loss. Even though roger, floyd and SR. thinks that pac is beatable, they fear him. And what is the best way to counter a loss? its making doubts.. they want fans to doubt manny incase he wins against PBF.[/QUOTE
Mannnnnn everybody and the mother knew de la hoya was shot at 147, when he fought Mayweather at 154 roach said he couldnt pull the trigger then, so he makes him lose seven more pounds and takes advantage of a wounded horse. And im not clouding my thoughts with su****ion, just facts. THey had an offer that was fair to most fans, Scared ass mayweather signed his contract, Manny random didn't. Like the fact of the matter is they didn't mind taking additional urine test or blood test, but they needed to know when they were taking random ones. What kills me with this post is that if Mayweather was the reason this fight didnt' happen, like let's say Pacquiao signed and mayweather didnt', everybody would be calling mayweather some cheating steroid, ***** who was afraid of fighting Pacquiao.
Your gonna find this hard to believe but I like Pacquiao. ANd like i said numerous times, he hurt himself on this topic by entertaining the thought instead of just telling mayweather, screw you and your demands, im better than that. However he couldnt because mayweather gave in to everything there camp asked for. He entertained a thought, he knew damm well he wasnt going through with, it was mayweather's demand. So yeah you take the test to appease the other party, that's what a fair negotiation is , both sides have to give. They were trying to do anything and everything to get around the RANDOM part of the drug testing. When Pacquiao asked for Mayweather to Pay 10mil if he was overweight, did mayweather try and counter and say no ill only pay you 3 million. NO, he gave Pacquiao what he wanted to make the fight happen and if he knew that Pacquaio was going to refuse his demands for random blood testing after he agreed to all of pacquaio's what does that say about manny. Like people are trying to say that Mayweather was never really interesting in fighting manny like he was bluffing this entire time, so my question to you is why did Manny fold.
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Originally posted by jayhova29 View PostLike i said before, Who knows for sure what/why Mayweather asked for those additional testing. I know its not because he was scared to fight, he signed his contract, manny didnt. That's like asking why did Pacquiao's clause in the contract ask for mayweather to pay 10mil per pd he's over the WW limit, when after the marquez/mayweather fight Freddie Roach said in numerous interviews that if mayweather fought Pacquiao and was overweight he would simply walk away. I can tell you why, its posturing, he never expected mayweather to agree. When he did, it put them on the spot.
To try and answer your question, i think like most people when they heard mayweather asked for additional testing they thought, floyd was either trying to get out the fight, or just trying to get in manny's head. Had manny of just walked away, and said everything that his fans are saying now, we would look at him like he was taking the high road, but once he entertained the thought, and it never materialized people started asking why? This is the 1st time that i can remember that the fighter who is being called scared is the one who signed his contract, while the other figher, who's camp had numerous excuses once the word RANDOM was placed in front of blood testing is getting a pass. If Americans in non combative sports would lie to the american public using steroids and ped's why should i give Pacquiao a pass when his camp straight out said NO to random test. If that doesnt raise eyebrows then you guys jerk-off too Manny's picture and bust your not on FLoyds. So im not saying manny is guilty, im just saying he looks that way the longer this drags on him and roach keep talking about floyd, they know they lost the 1st part of this negotiation battle. Thats why they keep running their mouth's.
Its all ***** boy's plan, floyd sr.. he cant accept pac beating his son so they made false accusations without proof.
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Originally posted by jayhova29 View Posthe announced he was fighting the day of that fight, why does he have to wait. Fact of the matter is you can make the same arguments about both fighters. Bob arum was negotiating with Yuri Foreman to fight Pacquaio at 154lbs, this is while they were still negotiating with mayweather, and the day that had the mediator oversee negotiations, bob arum was already saying that his fighter was going to fight Clottey, so the only person that sounds scared or is ducking is Manny Random. Before he even fought hatton you never heard a peep about Pacquaio wanting to fight mayweather. Now all of a sudden he's ducking him because he didnt wait 2 see who won between pac/hatton. WHat if hatton one, was he suppose to fight him again. But then again he could take a page from Manny's book, and fought the loser, knock him out, and we can all pro-claim how great he is.
please, take a look at the list of manny's opponents since he moved up. He fought David Diaz, when there was Juan Diaz and Nate campbell at that division. He fought De La Hoya at WW, who didnt fight at that division in almost a decaded. After he took a beating from Mayweather at his respective 154lb jr middleweight division. Whats worse is that De La Hoya was already at a handicap because Roach coached him to his loss to mayweather, then probably told Pacquaio where de la hoya was weak at an manny capitalized. Prior to the fight Roach has always said that Oscar cant pull the trigger anymore and that's why he fought him then. He fought Hatton, after Mayweather knocked him out. Then Fought cotto, who in his last 3 fights prior to Pacquiao, got his ass handed to him by Margarito, had a confidence building fight with a novice Michael Jennings, then another close call win(could've gone either way) to Clottey. Now he's fighting Clottey, who just lost, to the guy that Pacquaio just demolished, and im suppose to look at this guy's body of work over the last 3 to 4years, and pretend that it adds up to the 13 year career of Mayweather's. lol, This guy has a fight on saturday and him and his trainer are still talking Mayweather, if you felt you won negotiations you would let the loser do the talking. That's what Mayweather is doing. Team Pacquiao looks desperate to save his image here in the states.
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Originally posted by JCaster View PostIts not pacquiao's fault if those what you called "shot" fighter lost to him. Coz tbh i didnt gave him a chance against Oscar.. You only consider them shot, weak, dehydrated, old, slow etc.. because pac beats them. if dela hoya murdered pac in that ring you wouldnt be saying he's shot.
the things is, you are like the mayweathers, you cant believe pac can accomplish those wins. So you cloud your thoughts with su****ions.
I think mayweather has the advantage and will give pac trouble inside the ring. BUT I also think that among those floyd fought, pac is the most dangerous and pose the greatest threat to his "0" loss. Even though roger, floyd and SR. thinks that pac is beatable, they fear him. And what is the best way to counter a loss? its making doubts.. they want fans to doubt manny incase he wins against PBF.
You guys make it seem like we think Pacquaio can be using something because of what floyd says, and in reality its what pacquaio hasnt been saying that makes him look guilty. Not to mention he has a couple of shady characters in his corner (Arum and Ariza) who most people just dont trust.
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[QUOTE=jayhova29;7708023]Originally posted by JCaster View PostIts not pacquiao's fault if those what you called "shot" fighter lost to him. Coz tbh i didnt gave him a chance against Oscar.. You only consider them shot, weak, dehydrated, old, slow etc.. because pac beats them. if dela hoya murdered pac in that ring you wouldnt be saying he's shot.
the things is, you are like the mayweathers, you cant believe pac can accomplish those wins. So you cloud your thoughts with su****ions.
I think mayweather has the advantage and will give pac trouble inside the ring. BUT I also think that among those floyd fought, pac is the most dangerous and pose the greatest threat to his "0" loss. Even though roger, floyd and SR. thinks that pac is beatable, they fear him. And what is the best way to counter a loss? its making doubts.. they want fans to doubt manny incase he wins against PBF.[/QUOTE
Mannnnnn everybody and the mother knew de la hoya was shot at 147, when he fought Mayweather at 154 roach said he couldnt pull the trigger then, so he makes him lose seven more pounds and takes advantage of a wounded horse. And im not clouding my thoughts with su****ion, just facts. THey had an offer that was fair to most fans, Scared ass mayweather signed his contract, Manny random didn't. Like the fact of the matter is they didn't mind taking additional urine test or blood test, but they needed to know when they were taking random ones. What kills me with this post is that if Mayweather was the reason this fight didnt' happen, like let's say Pacquiao signed and mayweather didnt', everybody would be calling mayweather some cheating steroid, ***** who was afraid of fighting Pacquiao.
Your gonna find this hard to believe but I like Pacquiao. ANd like i said numerous times, he hurt himself on this topic by entertaining the thought instead of just telling mayweather, screw you and your demands, im better than that. However he couldnt because mayweather gave in to everything there camp asked for. He entertained a thought, he knew damm well he wasnt going through with, it was mayweather's demand. So yeah you take the test to appease the other party, that's what a fair negotiation is , both sides have to give. They were trying to do anything and everything to get around the RANDOM part of the drug testing. When Pacquiao asked for Mayweather to Pay 10mil if he was overweight, did mayweather try and counter and say no ill only pay you 3 million. NO, he gave Pacquiao what he wanted to make the fight happen and if he knew that Pacquaio was going to refuse his demands for random blood testing after he agreed to all of pacquaio's what does that say about manny. Like people are trying to say that Mayweather was never really interesting in fighting manny like he was bluffing this entire time, so my question to you is why did Manny fold.
Here is a fact. Manny was never tested positive
Actually if you really like pacquiao, you will understand why the fight didnt happen. It was unofficial to get random blood tests, and if you really are a fan o pac, you will know that pac got weak against morales when blood was taken from him before their 1st fight.
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