Pacquiao-Mayweather collapse is about control, not PEDs

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

See thats exactly it though. I don't buy for a second that Mayweather actually wanted this fight to break up. He wanted it to play out where his camp could say "Manny Pacquiao will be taking a mandatory drug test as dictated by myself" and Manny Pacquiao would then be like" yes, I agree to the terms sert by camp Mayweather". In that scenario, it would be obvious that Mayweather is setting the terms of this fight, and therefore was the real champion in control.

I have to disagree with this. Mayweather invited Pac to "participate" in the testing with him. They both would be subjected to the same testing procedures. I Pacs fight with Cotto he dictated a demand to Cotto the "champ" to weigh 145 Pounds AND still put his belt on the line that Cotto earned while being allowed to weigh the WW limit. So Pac was in control of that fight and he was the challenger.

I dont think anyone can argue that mayweather doesnt use psychological pressure when dealing with perspective opponents, given his history. Now we have Mayweather essentially stuck with defending this so called 'cause' of his. You don't see mayweather demanding that Golden Boy, whom essentially promotes him have these kinds of tests for all their future events. You dont see him mentioning the undercard fighters undergoing the same testing. You dont see him calling out guys like Dan Goosen and Bob Arum over their not enforcing these kinds of tests in their fights, all of which you would expect if Maywetaher actually was championing this cause.

Anyone with a good grasp on how this thing works can tell you that its impossible for one man to clean up the sport. There is boxing not only in Nevada but in every state. There is boxing not only in the states but all around the world. Its impossible to have mandatory testing for EVERY single boxing match there are way to many fights held a month let alone a year.

It starts with the fighters and what they put in the contracts. Its a contract thing not a commission thing.

On the flip side Pacquiao is not scrambling to justify his turning down the ifght, as he cant really say "Because i dont want to give Mayweather what he wants." That essentially makes him look petty and isnt helpful to hus image, as he is trying to break out in America as a sports star. So now we have both fighters stuck playing their assigned roles. Is the whole ordeal petty and ******? yeah. Is it realistic for two top fighters with enough accomplishemnts to justify soem pretty big egos. Also yeah. So we'll have to see how it plays out but until then theres no reason to suspect Pacquiao of juicing, or Mayweather of "runnin scared".

People who say Floyd is scared of Pac need their boxingscene privileges revoked. And the same for people who think of Pac that way. These guys beat the **** out of people for a living they not afraid of each other.

However Bob Arum has came out and admited hes at fault for this fight not happening. When Mayweather and GBP turned down ther Texas Arena. Arum wanted out of the fight every chance he got. Arum was more concerned with the 25 Million dollar check that Jerry Jones wrote him rather then whats best for boxing which is Pac vs. Mayweather. Thats why this fight isnt next weekend.

[S.G.]

You call those demands?

50/50: That's what Pacquiao is worth. Why the hell would he accept a lower split? In fact Manny is worth MORE if anything because his last PPV did better than Floyd's. I won't judge it on how well Floyd did with Oscar, that's in the past, and we HAVE to consider his current popularity, not some figures he did with a huge star such as Oscar 3 years ago. Floyd didn't sell **** before fighting Oscar, and he has always sold less afterwards.

Gloves: 8 oz gloves is pretty damn normal for a WW fight. Not a crazy demand at all. It's very reasonable.

Weight Penalty: Since Mayweather has never come in over the limit and does not struggle to make the weight, this is a moot point. He could have asked for 10 billion per pound over, and Floyd would still have accepted because he knows he will not come in over the limit.

These so-called "demands" are absolutely not even worth mentioning.

nor should drug testing be if you're clean.

[Dehydrator]

Last I checked, random testing is being implemented for Mayweather/Mosely and will be implemented in Floyd's fights for the rest of his career.

I should have said why start with Pacquiao instead of the above comment.

Mayweather and together with his camps made statements that Pacquiao is easy work, then why make the negotiations complicated?

[S A M U R A I]

Just because Pacquiao has been knocking out his opponents with ease is good enough to justify a hunch?

The thing is... he hasn't.

Diaz: 9 rounds. Manny was just too fast. Late KO from accumulation.
Oscar: 8 rounds. Manny made him quit. Just too fast. No Mas due to accumulation.
Hatton: The ONLY guy he has iced recently, mainly due to Hatton's **** technique and lack of defense.
Cotto: Went almost the full 12 before being stopped.

Manny hasn't been KOing his opponents with ease. Apart from Hatton, he had to work hard for those victories.



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[AllEyesOpen]

You call those demands?

50/50: That's what Pacquiao is worth. Why the hell would he accept a lower split? In fact Manny is worth MORE if anything because his last PPV did better than Floyd's. I won't judge it on how well Floyd did with Oscar, that's in the past, and we HAVE to consider his current popularity, not some figures he did with a huge star such as Oscar 3 years ago. Floyd didn't sell **** before fighting Oscar, and he has always sold less afterwards.

Gloves: 8 oz gloves is pretty damn normal for a WW fight. Not a crazy demand at all. It's very reasonable.

Weight Penalty: Since Mayweather has never come in over the limit and does not struggle to make the weight, this is a moot point. He could have asked for 10 billion per pound over, and Floyd would still have accepted because he knows he will not come in over the limit.

These so-called "demands" are absolutely not even worth mentioning.

So by your logic Mayweather should expect a better split in the future considering that Mosley/Mayweather will do better then Pacquiao/Clottey. They were demands by Pacquiao's camps regardless of what you think of them, and Floyd agreed. Smart you didn't quote the rest of my post cause you know in the negotiations Mayweather was indeed the one to make them most compromises.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Just because Pacquiao has been knocking out his opponents with ease is good enough to justify a hunch?

Why clean up the sport only for Pacquiao?

Why make it difficult if they can easily simplify everything with just minor tweaking of the existing rules. Why make it complicated?

Mayweather has OST's in his fights regardless if its Pac or some bum off the street. They didnt single Pac out.

This is where I really disagree. I dont think OST's are complicated. Shane Mosley proved that by accepting in literally less then 24 hours.

[amonb]

You didnt see him on Kimmel?

Excuse number 10 is that a blood test would hurt him more then Floyd because Floyd is bigger then him.

Oh and where did you get the idea that Floyd choses which doctor does the testing? Sounds like you just made that up yourself...

It's all bull****. You know as well as i do that this fight is happening later on this year. You may say manny has lost credibility but his fans have stuck by him so when the fight happens it will all be forgotten. 4 months wasn't long enough to create this fight so they're gonna milk it HARD!!! If manny wins i wouldn't be suprised to see him in vegas on may 1st. That's when the promotion for this fight will really start!!!!

[S A M U R A I]

nor should drug testing be if you're clean.

Are you ignoring the main point of the thread, SG? It's not about drug testing, it's about control.

If Floyd really thought Pacquiao is "easy work", and if he thinks Pacquiao is such an inferior fighter, Floyd would say "OK, I'll fight Pacquiao with or without PED's and knock that one-dimensional punk out."

Are you telling me PED's is the difference between Manny winning or losing, or their skill level?



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[Emphasis]

I should have said why start with Pacquiao instead of the above comment.

Mayweather and together with his camps made statements that Pacquiao is easy work, then why make the negotiations complicated?

He wanted to make sure there's an even playing field.

I honestly don't see the problem; because both fighters would be subjected to the same exact tests.

[S A M U R A I]

So by your logic Mayweather should expect a better split in the future considering that Mosley/Mayweather will do better then Pacquiao/Clottey. They were demands by Pacquiao's camps regardless of what you think of them, and Floyd agreed. Smart you didn't quote the rest of my post cause you know in the negotiations Mayweather was indeed the one to make them most compromises.

Yeah, sure. The guy doing the best numbers and who can draw the biggest crowd is the one who deserves the bigger cut. You must realize though, that I absolutely don't give a flying **** about who makes the most money. Nor should the fans.



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