Pacquiao-Mayweather collapse is about control, not PEDs

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I'm sick of hearing their respective fanbases bash either of these fighters. Its as simple as this, Mayweather left because he thought he was done with the sport of boxing, and during that hiatus Pacquiao ascended to the p4p #1. Not only was the buzz surrounding Pacquiao enormous, but he was a fan favorite, and had an air of intimidation that Floyd has previously been unable to cultivate. Floyd, who feels all criticism of his HOF career is unjustified came back, probably expecting the sport to take him in and once again elevate him as its greatest champion. Instead, he has had to fight for his place in the sport for the first time in years. So when fights negotiations came around for Pacquiao-Mayweather, egos were running high, and both camps had a profound dislike for one another. This testing isnt about PEDs its about who gets to dictate the terms of the fight, and therefore who is in control. Pacquiao hasnt submitted to testing because from his perspective he is a clean fighter who has never had nay reason to be accused of using PEDs and not only that but he is the best p4p fighter in the world who shouldnt have to submit to the demands of any other fighter. Likewise, Mayweather sees himself as the best fighter in the world who should be able to dictate terms to any fighter, for any fight. Its as simple as that. No one is running scared, no one is juicing. Its just two egos which need to somehow be maneuvered in order ot accomadate one another for a big fight. Its as simple as that folks...

Very true, but why is Mayweather's ego at question. Mayweather agreed to all of Pacquiao's demands; glove size, penalty for coming in overweight, 50/50 split. The request Floyd made was the random blood testing, he even went as far as to go with 14 day cutoff before the fight. I do agree that ego & control had to do with it but Mayweather made the most compromises & in the end Pacquiao refusing the random blood testing made him look like a cheat, wether he is or not.

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If Mayweather really likes to fight Pacquiao why in the hell he asked for a bull**** stipulation based on a hunch? I really don’t understand why demand something that will surely put an irreparable dent in the middle of a negotiations.

What about if both camps drop both of their demands and just fight using the existing rules mandated by the boxing commission?

Would you truly believe Floyd will fight Pacquiao?

But see thats my thing though. Mayweather mentioned the testing like in November. I dont think they knew that Pac wouldnt accept it. Mainly because Pac did accept it. When he demanded it I dont they think the knew there would be such a big fuss over it. Look at Mosley. He agreed to the testing and the fight was signed , sealed and delivered. It wasnt a ploy to get out the fight because when Shane agreed the fight was signed.

On the hunch thing. In this sport which is a combat sport I feel a fighter has every right to take the necessary pre-cautions. Hes the one has to take those punches not us. So I get where he is coming from.

If both fighters drop everything. Testing, the penalty and all that stuff. Yeah the fight would come off. But since Schafer and others have came out and said that all Floyds fights will have OST's i the contract I dont think Floyd can back track now after all the interviews he did on "cleaning up the sport".

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I'm sick of hearing their respective fanbases bash either of these fighters. Its as simple as this, Mayweather left because he thought he was done with the sport of boxing, and during that hiatus Pacquiao ascended to the p4p #1. Not only was the buzz surrounding Pacquiao enormous, but he was a fan favorite, and had an air of intimidation that Floyd has previously been unable to cultivate. Floyd, who feels all criticism of his HOF career is unjustified came back, probably expecting the sport to take him in and once again elevate him as its greatest champion. Instead, he has had to fight for his place in the sport for the first time in years. So when fights negotiations came around for Pacquiao-Mayweather, egos were running high, and both camps had a profound dislike for one another. This testing isnt about PEDs its about who gets to dictate the terms of the fight, and therefore who is in control. Pacquiao hasnt submitted to testing because from his perspective he is a clean fighter who has never had nay reason to be accused of using PEDs and not only that but he is the best p4p fighter in the world who shouldnt have to submit to the demands of any other fighter. Likewise, Mayweather sees himself as the best fighter in the world who should be able to dictate terms to any fighter, for any fight. Its as simple as that. No one is running scared, no one is juicing. Its just two egos which need to somehow be maneuvered in order ot accomadate one another for a big fight. Its as simple as that folks...

i agree with this and that ****** ego streamed to their respective fans that lead to many ****** threads and arguments in boxing forums. and so far the ******ity is more prevalent on floyd fans. it's disgusting to read some of their comments on this forum alone

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In a perfect world yeah. But I disagree.

Mayweather had no idea Pac would act like this over testing. No one did.I remember the thread that showed Pac accepting and everyone applauded him. Then when he pulled out everyone said he didnt have to do anything. Funny.

See thats exactly it though. I don't buy for a second that Mayweather actually wanted this fight to break up. He wanted it to play out where his camp could say "Manny Pacquiao will be taking a mandatory drug test as dictated by myself" and Manny Pacquiao would then be like" yes, I agree to the terms sert by camp Mayweather". In that scenario, it would be obvious that Mayweather is setting the terms of this fight, and therefore was the real champion in control. I dont think anyone can argue that mayweather doesnt use psychological pressure when dealing with perspective opponents, given his history. Now we have Mayweather essentially stuck with defending this so called 'cause' of his. You don't see mayweather demanding that Golden Boy, whom essentially promotes him have these kinds of tests for all their future events. You dont see him mentioning the undercard fighters undergoing the same testing. You dont see him calling out guys like Dan Goosen and Bob Arum over their not enforcing these kinds of tests in their fights, all of which you would expect if Maywetaher actually was championing this cause. On the flip side Pacquiao is not scrambling to justify his turning down the ifght, as he cant really say "Because i dont want to give Mayweather what he wants." That essentially makes him look petty and isnt helpful to hus image, as he is trying to break out in America as a sports star. So now we have both fighters stuck playing their assigned roles. Is the whole ordeal petty and ******? yeah. Is it realistic for two top fighters with enough accomplishemnts to justify soem pretty big egos. Also yeah. So we'll have to see how it plays out but until then theres no reason to suspect Pacquiao of juicing, or Mayweather of "runnin scared".

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I'm sick of hearing their respective fanbases bash either of these fighters. Its as simple as this, Mayweather left because he thought he was done with the sport of boxing, and during that hiatus Pacquiao ascended to the p4p #1. Not only was the buzz surrounding Pacquiao enormous, but he was a fan favorite, and had an air of intimidation that Floyd has previously been unable to cultivate. Floyd, who feels all criticism of his HOF career is unjustified came back, probably expecting the sport to take him in and once again elevate him as its greatest champion. Instead, he has had to fight for his place in the sport for the first time in years. So when fights negotiations came around for Pacquiao-Mayweather, egos were running high, and both camps had a profound dislike for one another. This testing isnt about PEDs its about who gets to dictate the terms of the fight, and therefore who is in control. Pacquiao hasnt submitted to testing because from his perspective he is a clean fighter who has never had nay reason to be accused of using PEDs and not only that but he is the best p4p fighter in the world who shouldnt have to submit to the demands of any other fighter. Likewise, Mayweather sees himself as the best fighter in the world who should be able to dictate terms to any fighter, for any fight. Its as simple as that. No one is running scared, no one is juicing. Its just two egos which need to somehow be maneuvered in order ot accomadate one another for a big fight. Its as simple as that folks...

Exactly right. I have always said it's not about tests at all, but the demands of Mayweather were about mind games. Floyd wants to gain the mental advantage. If he got Pacquiao to comply, that would mean Manny is playing by Floyd's rules. Manny knows this, and so does his camp, hence why he refused to cave in to his demands.

If he really wanted to catch Pacquiao out, why offer a 14 day window? Since PED's can be flushed out in a matter of hours before a fight, the 14 day window was useless. Right?

It's exactly as you said -- mind games, control, getting the upper hand and winning the mental battle. Floyd Mayweather has absolutely no intention of "cleaning up the sport".

I'm old enough and wise enough to see straight through this ****. Unfortunately half the people here are not, they are gullible enough to buy anything.



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But see thats my thing though. Mayweather mentioned the testing like in November. I dont think they knew that Pac wouldnt accept it. Mainly because Pac did accept it. When he demanded it I dont they think the knew there would be such a big fuss over it. Look at Mosley. He agreed to the testing and the fight was signed , sealed and delivered. It wasnt a ploy to get out the fight because when Shane agreed the fight was signed.

On the hunch thing. In this sport which is a combat sport I feel a fighter has every right to take the necessary pre-cautions. Hes the one has to take those punches not us. So I get where he is coming from.

If both fighters drop everything. Testing, the penalty and all that stuff. Yeah the fight would come off. But since Schafer and others have came out and said that all Floyds fights will have OST's i the contract I dont think Floyd can back track now after all the interviews he did on "cleaning up the sport".

Just because Pacquiao has been knocking out his opponents with ease is good enough to justify a hunch?

Why clean up the sport only for Pacquiao?

Why make it difficult if they can easily simplify everything with just minor tweaking of the existing rules. Why make it complicated?

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obviously its a ploy by floyd

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Just because Pacquiao has been knocking out his opponents with ease is good enough to justify a hunch?

Why clean up the sport only for Pacquiao?

Why make it difficult if they can easily simplify everything with just minor tweaking of the existing rules. Why make it complicated?

Last I checked, random testing is being implemented for Mayweather/Mosely and will be implemented in Floyd's fights for the rest of his career.

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Mayweather agreed to all of Pacquiao's demands; glove size, penalty for coming in overweight, 50/50 split.

You call those demands?

50/50: That's what Pacquiao is worth. Why the hell would he accept a lower split? In fact Manny is worth MORE if anything because his last PPV did better than Floyd's. I won't judge it on how well Floyd did with Oscar, that's in the past, and we HAVE to consider his current popularity, not some figures he did with a huge star such as Oscar 3 years ago. Floyd didn't sell **** before fighting Oscar, and he has always sold less afterwards.

Gloves: 8 oz gloves is pretty damn normal for a WW fight. Not a crazy demand at all. It's very reasonable.

Weight Penalty: Since Mayweather has never come in over the limit and does not struggle to make the weight, this is a moot point. He could have asked for 10 billion per pound over, and Floyd would still have accepted because he knows he will not come in over the limit.

These so-called "demands" are absolutely not even worth mentioning.



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if floyd really wants to clean boxing he should file a petition to the different state athletic authorities to implement random blood testing as a standard policy.