Mayweather-Pacquiao in Jeopardy Over Drug Test - Merged Thread:

[neils7147933]

You seriously believe that Manny refuses to do a drug test will look for worse then Floyd then Manny? I highly doubt it plays out like that since this question would dog Manny for a long time, Why did you pull out of the biggest fight in decades because on some small blood tests?

I fail to see how that will amke Manny look better.

They both need the bout the same because anything else pales in comparision. Both can make money elsewhere great money compared to waht others make in the sport but that is peanuts compared to what they make together.

Floyd is the bigger fighter, faster, stronger, longer reach..... what on earth is worried about?

I don't think any fighter should have to submit to that type of testing, unless there's proof they've ever cheated. Just like Chagaev shook his head at Valuev and went and fought Wlad....you don't want the fight, then we'll move on....

[big_james10]

The request by Floyd Mayweather for both he and Manny Pacquiao to potentially be blood tested as close as 48 hours from their possible March superfight is both unprecedented and unnecessary.

Pacquiao’s de facto manager told Yahoo! Sports’ Kevin Iole that Pacman will be blood tested one month out and just after the possible March 13 fight in (likely) Las Vegas. That schedule should answer any possible doping questions about Pacquiao (or Mayweather). The 48-hour deadline is a classic Mayweather psychological ploy, a little edge designed to get into his opponent’s head.

That said, at this point, with the debate this far along, Pacquiao should just suck it up and agree to it.

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Mayweather is a master at putting opponents in bad positions, both inside and outside the ring. Pacquiao is in one now, outfoxed by Mayweather in the fight negotiations. There’s no way Pacquiao can explain walking away from one of the biggest bouts in boxing history because, as his promoter suggests, he’s afraid of needles.

Do that and it isn’t just the game of boxing that takes a beating – it’s also Pacquiao’s reputation. The semantics about boxing standards or steroid cycles or unfair negotiations won’t break through what would, no doubt, be a vocal hammering from critics, none louder than from the Mayweathers.

“For that kind of money, how could you not take a test?” Floyd’s father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., has already crowed to the Grand Rapids (Mich.) Press.

Indeed, how do you not take a test?

The Mayweather camp has been outspoken in its su****ions about Pacquiao and performance-enhancing drugs. So it demanded that both fighters possibly submit blood samples to the United States Anti-Doping Agency in the days before and after the fight. When to test would be up to USADA. Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, said they’d stick to State of Nevada regulations, although Pacquiao’s adviser, Michael Koncz, said they’d do blood samples, just not that close to the fight.

That isn’t good enough, so far, for the Mayweather camp. If no one budges, boxing may be in the process of shooting itself in the foot, walking away from an event that already has fans worldwide buzzing in anticipation. More likely: Something gets worked out in time for a fight announcement in early January.

“In a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level,” Mayweather Jr. said in a statement.

“We’re going in a different direction,” Arum told the Grand Rapids Press. “What I believe is that Floyd never really wanted the fight and this is just harassment of Pacquiao.”

There’s little doubt this is harassment of Pacquiao. What else would you expect from Floyd Mayweather? He’s the master at screwing with opponents. Making Pacquiao discuss PEDs in the run up to the fight is a potential distraction – even if he’s clean. That was, no doubt, a goal when his camp requested aggressive doping standards.

This isn’t Mayweather’s normal bluster, though. He’s on the moral high ground here. The Pacquiao camp can hate the situation it finds itself in and may be correct that the requests are mostly ridiculous. It doesn’t change the reality of the debate.

If Pacman pulls out of the fight because of the timetable for doping tests, he’ll have a near-impossible challenge proving he isn’t trying to hide something.

Arum isn’t doing Pacquiao any favors with some of his silly excuses. He said Pacquiao is squeamish about needles, which is a heck of a thing to blow up a contest to determine the toughest pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

He added that Pacquiao thinks a blood test within 48 hours of the fight might drain him, although most such tests take very little actual blood. Then there’s Arum’s claim that every doctor in the world would say doing such a thing is “******” and blood tests don’t “prove anything.” That’s hyperbole.

“Manny Pacquiao doesn’t know anything about drugs,” Arum told the Grand Rapids paper. “This is just typical nastiness by wise guys like [Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard] Ellerbe and Mayweather.”

Nastiness? Sure. Wise guys? Absolutely. The Mayweather camp doesn’t play around. However, to say we have to just take Arum’s word that Pacquiao doesn’t know anything about drugs is absurd. There hasn’t been a reason to believe anything or anyone in sports on this topic in years. PED scandals in baseball, football, cycling, track, swimming and so on aren’t Pacquiao’s fault, but that’s the sporting reality he lives in.

He can’t just pretend fan su****ion isn’t reasonable.

Pacquiao has been a breath of fresh air for boxing and he’s never failed a drug test in his 50-3-2 career. The chance to see a man of similar speed and skill finally challenge the unbeaten Mayweather (40-0) has reenergized the sport.

Which doesn’t mean either fighter is above reproach. The Mayweathers have had no problem voicing their concerns about Pacman’s ability to maintain punching power and punch-taking ability as he has climbed through weight classes (even as Mayweather has made a similar journey).

Regardless, in one of their typically deft maneuvers, they demanded extreme testing standards that left the Pacquiao camp backpedaling and debating an issue they can’t win.

What Mayweather is calling for may be unfair, but is Pacquiao going to give up tens of millions of dollars and a chance to cement his legacy as one of the all-time greatest fighters out of principle?

Is he going to bail knowing that he opens himself up to questions about PEDs because, despite being tough enough to let Miguel Cotto unload on him, he’s scared of a needle?

Floyd Mayweather has cornered him on this one, doing what he does best, making the fight get fought on his terms. The way to stop Mayweather, though, has always been to punch back – hard.

Instead, Manny Pacquiao is going to walk away?

What the hell is this crap? This is not an article. This is nothing more than a blog. It looks like something that a Mayweather hater on this site wrote

[Gutz]

i just emailed someone from the NSAC

\\proof?....

[Cockfighter69]

In the long history of professional boxing, Mayweather Jr. is literally sucking the life blood of this once great and honorable sport... Not only is he consistantly disgracing himself but holds fans, fellow boxers, and the entire sport of boxing in contempt... Mayweather does not care if he drags the already weakened puiblic perception of boxing through the gutters, as long as he gains the slightest of edges of silly mind games....


I must admit, he may not care how he is viewed or even remembered, but his impact on the sport is undeniably negative and as a visible persona in the sport makes everyone in it look bad... Instead of creating new fans for the sport, he single handedly proves boxing detractors right time and time again and leaves casual fans out to dry... He has said he does not care of legacy and every motivation is about "paying bills"... This belief of **** the fans and pay me,,,, is literally killing boxing,,,, and Mayweather has no problem of nailing boxings coffin...

Mayweather is the living embodiment of how boxing got to its dire present day state... If you are a boxing fan and not a hugger,,, it would be undeniable to agree...

Mayweather needs to leave the sport, asap...

[mathed]

Maywether is a joke. Everyone knows that. He doesn't want to fight the best.

I have to agree here. His pops said we'll whoop him even if he is on the juice now they want him to submit to a battery of tests never before used in the history of boxing? If this fight does happen I do really feel sorry for Money. As good as he might be, I think Pac is gonna go in there to hurt him badly. He may need to retire if this fight happens, his pretty little face will look like fifty's chewed up mug.

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Floyd is the bigger fighter, faster, stronger, longer reach..... what on earth is worried about?

I don't think any fighter should have to submit to that type of testing, unless there's proof they've ever cheated. Just like Chagaev shook his head at Valuev and went and fought Wlad....you don't want the fight, then we'll move on....

exactly

truth be told, any fighter that asks for this is a *****... unless there's a reason to ask for this kinda testing, **** off

[salsalero]

I wonder if you honestly think that refusing to do the test the way it is normally done and wanting to dictate a schedule for it isnt the same thing as refusing it? whats the point if you know when you're gonna be tested? He's refusing "RANDOMS" he wants to know when hes gonna be tested. Please stop the excuses dude.. Pac is done, and you call Floyd a fraud. THE JIG IS UP PAL

Again *****s are really ******...if you consider yourself a *****. You lack common sense. Plain and simple, will taking the blood sample 48 hours before the fight and immediately after the fight will yield different results? Plain and simple!

[bigdognyc]

Don't see what is wrong with asking for a superior testing regime in a sport as dangerous in boxing, how many people have been seriously injured in the ring this year or killed?

It does not matter if the reason he is asking for it is baseless he is stepping into the ring he has every right to ask for everything to be on the up and up, better drug testing is better for everyone it lets eveyone know everything is on the up and up it is better for the sport.

Unless you want to see someone with an edge from PED beating someone to death then getting tested afterward for there to be a serious change in procedure.

I agree,,, the stringest drug tests should be done to EVERYONE in EVERY SINGLE FIGHT...Period...

But why make Pac go through the toughest drug tests a profesional boxer has gone through in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THES SPORT.... WHY???

Is it because Mayweather Sr. made those allegations???

You really expect the most popular boxer in the world to bend over like that on a whim because an ex felon and current crackhead are making accusations??

You really expect Pac to get 3-5 blood test, plus 8 urine samples in less than 30 days and as soon as 24 hours of the fight just to satisfy the curiousity of Mayweather???

Seriously, who the **** does this guy thinks he is???

[onedream722]

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date Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:59 PM
subject RE: Boxing Question
mailed-by boxing.nv.gov

[#1Assassin]

and he's playing the villian very well and the funny thing is that in this time and day of age alot of ppl like the villian and it makes the good guy look no good.

ofcourse.. haye, mayorga, hopkins etc.. thats not the point though, the point is its a game and it doesnt hurt the sport one bit. it sells tickets, so if anything it helps the sport.