Ali was not that great.

[LeftHookTua Jr]

What's with all the Ali hate threads today?


I've seen two already, that's too many.

[Jiddu Dali]

How man of you have actually witnessed his fights? First of all, Ali was not exciting to watch, he was a loud mouth disrespectful bastard, and was pretty much hated by America, nobody called him "the greatest" he was the mayweather of that time, people called him a coward for facing smaller men than him, and for fighting guys with limited skills, he only fought a coule hard fights.

People got the wrong info on Ali in here, it makes me laugh when these geniuses act like they've witnesses his fights and he was this unstoppable force.

Muhammad Ali is a three-time World Heavyweight Champion, who is widely considered one of the greatest heavyweight championship boxers of all time. As an amateur, he won a gold medal in the light heavyweight division at the 1960 Summer Olympics in Rome. After turning professional, he went on to become the first boxer to win the lineal heavyweight championship three times.



Ali suffered only five losses (four decisions and one TKO by retirement from the bout) with no draws in his career, while amassing 56 wins (37 knockouts and 19 decisions). Ali was crowned "Sportsman of the Century" by Sports Illustrated and "Sports Personality of the Century" by the BBC.

[Benny Leonard]

Here is the thing with Ali:

His ability prior to his exile from boxing was unreal...especially by the time he filled out into his "Man-Body"...which was closer to 1966-1967, maybe '65 as well. Ali was a LH in the Olympics and because of that, had LH ability...although even for a LH, he was ahead of the game for the time, maybe even now, unless you want to bring up someone like Roy Jones Jr. (who himself started below LH).
That ability from his LH days was brought up to the HW ranks and made Ali faster, more agile, and sharper than the rest of the division. No HW up to that point was known to have had such ability in the ring for a 200+ pound HW. By the time he had his "Man-Body" his speed and new found strength increased his power....power which I felt may have slightly been lost on some point when he came back.

He went undefeated prior to his exile. He comes back after a 3+ year exile, somewhat depleted attributes which includes his legs which were key for him with his advantage over the division....and he still beats HOF fighters as well as top contenders in his division. A Past Prime Ali put up a HOF resume after his exile. That's incredible.

Ali was a mixed personality to me. I had this whole thing about how Cassius Clay was better than Ali as far as treating people well and I think Ali and Clay were still inside him because for all that he said about White this and so on, he still hung out with White people...talked kindly of white people...and when it came to children, white kids or whatever skin color or ethnicity...he embraced them. But he was in a self-battle mode because of who he was being influenced by. Ali wasn't perfect...far from it...and the era he was in didn't help his personality. But that can't be used as excuse either because we can look at Joe Frazier and many others.
I did hear someone tell that there was a need for Ali during that time period on what many African-Americans, as well as others, felt they needed to feel strong with who they were and what they could do to stand up.

He wasn't perfect as a personality nor was he a perfect fighter and along the way he may have hurt many people as well as embracing many others...but he still did Great things in the end and is a part of Boxing History as one of the best fighters we've ever seen.

[Bright-Eyes]

this thread is gonna make my thread seem to be a thread implying the same thing

In all fairness,atleast the guy can spell.

[Pullcounter]

when was the last time you saw a HW move like a MW? even when RJJ went to HW, he didn't move around like Ali did.

[SplitSecond]

when was the last time you saw a HW move like a MW? even when RJJ went to HW, he didn't move around like Ali did.

they dont have the same style tho pull
so i dont see why he would

[S A M U R A I]

What is up with the bashing lately?

Calzaghe a bum, Hopkins a fraud for fighting small guys, Ali not great and a bastard etc.

"Lately"? This happens day by day, year by year on NSB.



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[GJC]

How man of you have actually witnessed his fights? First of all, Ali was not exciting to watch, he was a loud mouth disrespectful bastard, and was pretty much hated by America, nobody called him "the greatest" he was the mayweather of that time, people called him a coward for facing smaller men than him, and for fighting guys with limited skills, he only fought a coule hard fights.

People got the wrong info on Ali in here, it makes me laugh when these geniuses act like they've witnesses his fights and he was this unstoppable force.

Ok if he wasn't the greatest HW then who was?

[Southpaw16BF]

When greatness is talked about in the history of boxing, Muhhamad Ali always come in to my head.

Ali at his best possesed phenomenal foot speed and amazing reflexes which ment he took few punchers in his prime years, and when he did get hit he would turn his head to limt the impact of the punch.Ali's lateral movement and fleetness of foot made him the master of ring center. Ali’s judge of distance was also amazing.

Bob Foster, the world light-heavyweight champion agreed, saying, in an interview after their fight, “He has no business being as fast as he is. I never saw that right hand.”

Ali's chin is argubaly the best chin in the history of boxing. He fought some of the harderst punchers in the history of the sport including George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Bob Foster, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Archie Moore, Clevand Williams, LaMar Clark, Ron Lyle, and Mac Foster. And was never knocked out by any of them. The only time he was stopped was his second to last fight.

Joe Frazier once said about Ali, “Lawdy, Lawdy, I hit him with punches that would have brought down the walls of a city. He’s a great and mighty champion.”

He threw some of the most daazling array of combinations the sport has ever see. His long reach allowed him to work from a safe distance, as he would use his fast jab, to set up his incredible combinations. While he would taught opponents to help break down there resistance and get to them mentalliy.

Speed, Accuarcy, and perfect timing helped him to stop fighters with notable durability.

It was a crime that Ali's best years were taken away from him.Ali refused induction into the Army in 1967 and went into forced exile losing three and a half of his best years as a fighter.

When Ali returned he fought much more flat-footed, revealed some never before tested traits such as heart, courage, determination, and the ability to absorb punishment and take a heavy punch.

In my opinion and many others, Ali had the best resume in Heavyweight History. He was also the first ever Three Time Heavyweight Champion

Ali Resume Of Wins
-Archie Moore
-Sonny Liston
-Floyd Patterson
-Oscar Natalio Bonavena
-Joe Frazier
-Bob Foster
-Ken Norton
-George Foreman (40-0)
-Ron Lyle
-Jimmy Young
-Earnie Shavers
-Leon Spinks

Amature Accomplishments
-Six-time Kentucky State Golden Gloves Champion
-1959 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Light Heavyweight Champion
-1959 Intercity Golden Gloves Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Intercity Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion
-1959 & 1960 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Olympic Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist

But Ali wasn't just a boxer, he was a icon and the most known sportsmen and beloved sportsman of all time.

When legends and icon's are talked about, there none more so than the name Muhhamad Ali.

Your hands cant hit
What your eyes can't see
Float like a butterfly
Sting like a bee
Muhammad, Muhammad Ali''

Great Post. Cound't have said it better myself.

[steeluv]

so Fraiser, Liston, Norton, Archie Moore, Earnie Shavers and Foreman were not good opponents? Ali was the best in the era when there were a lot of great boxers at HW.

foreman was bigger than Ali, plus if ur at heavyweight u cannot go up a weight to fight bigger fighters, u have whats in that division

so many big names on his resume he is undeniably the best HW of AT.