Ali was not that great.

[ShermanKlump]

don't involve me in this.

i think ali is the greatest heavyweight ever and in fact i would probably put him #1 boxer ever even ahead of the more popular pick in robinson.

Actually I started this thread due to another saying that Ali was better than Pacquiao, implying Ali was way more exciting to watch, which was soooo not true, I find Pacquiao way more eciting than Ali, also some people claim and sware Ali is the greatest and have never even seen him fight!

[RapidFire_Royce]

i feel the same as the guy who posted above me. who did ali duck? Even he specified that when he was saying he was the greatest he wasn't referring to all time he meant heavyweight. What is up with the hate. its just not enough for you to have boxers you like? do you really think you are setting yourself apart or are presenting a respectable argument by trying to discredit the reputation of ali? What are you trying to prove? Just to get people to agree that he wasn't great. This is the epitome of one man hating on another man. what did Ali do to you? whip ya ass? sleep with ya mom? piss in ya wheaties? cmon what is it?

[Dorian]

He fought everybody in his time, Frazier/Foreman/Norton and the list goes on.

His style, we will never see a HW again with sych movement/skill.

[Mersey]

Ali >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sherman Klump

[Marlin26]

its pretty easy to discredit a man when you have not walked in his shoes, it is easy for anyone to say "well this guy did this and he was'nt really all that great his accomplishments mean nothing to me so he is the worst fighter ever" But try walking in his shoes, imagine fighting the men he fought, there have only ever been two GOAT's and that is Ali himself and Sugar Ray Robinson

Its easy to discredit a man when you have not taken the punches he has taken, ran the roads he has ran and trained the countless hours he has trained.

It is easy to discredit a man when you have not been in the ring, with another man who's soul purpose is to hit you continously until you cannot continue, you are not the one waiting in the room for the officiol to lead you to the ring, you are not the one boxing a man who is also considered in that time to be a great fighter and you are certainly not the man holding that world title that you won with YOUR own power, with your determination and your will to succseed no matter what.

Its easy to discredit a man when you have not lived as he has

-Marlin

[Zocalo]

How man of you have actually witnessed his fights? First of all, Ali was not exciting to watch, he was a loud mouth disrespectful bastard, and was pretty much hated by America, nobody called him "the greatest" he was the mayweather of that time, people called him a coward for facing smaller men than him, and for fighting guys with limited skills, he only fought a coule hard fights.

People got the wrong info on Ali in here, it makes me laugh when these geniuses act like they've witnesses his fights and he was this unstoppable force.

Um ok... cool.

[krispy kreme]

Um ok... cool.

Do you say "Um ok... cool" every 3 posts or so?

[Zocalo]

Do you say "Um ok... cool" every 3 posts or so?

Only when someone posts something ******... which is very often.

[JFB629]

When greatness is talked about in the history of boxing, Muhhamad Ali always come in to my head.

Ali at his best possesed phenomenal foot speed and amazing reflexes which ment he took few punchers in his prime years, and when he did get hit he would turn his head to limt the impact of the punch.Ali's lateral movement and fleetness of foot made him the master of ring center. Ali’s judge of distance was also amazing.

Bob Foster, the world light-heavyweight champion agreed, saying, in an interview after their fight, “He has no business being as fast as he is. I never saw that right hand.”

Ali's chin is argubaly the best chin in the history of boxing. He fought some of the harderst punchers in the history of the sport including George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Bob Foster, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Archie Moore, Clevand Williams, LaMar Clark, Ron Lyle, and Mac Foster. And was never knocked out by any of them. The only time he was stopped was his second to last fight.

Joe Frazier once said about Ali, “Lawdy, Lawdy, I hit him with punches that would have brought down the walls of a city. He’s a great and mighty champion.”

He threw some of the most daazling array of combinations the sport has ever see. His long reach allowed him to work from a safe distance, as he would use his fast jab, to set up his incredible combinations. While he would taught opponents to help break down there resistance and get to them mentalliy.

Speed, Accuarcy, and perfect timing helped him to stop fighters with notable durability.

It was a crime that Ali's best years were taken away from him.Ali refused induction into the Army in 1967 and went into forced exile losing three and a half of his best years as a fighter.

When Ali returned he fought much more flat-footed, revealed some never before tested traits such as heart, courage, determination, and the ability to absorb punishment and take a heavy punch.

In my opinion and many others, Ali had the best resume in Heavyweight History. He was also the first ever Three Time Heavyweight Champion

Ali Resume Of Wins
-Archie Moore
-Sonny Liston
-Floyd Patterson
-Oscar Natalio Bonavena
-Joe Frazier
-Bob Foster
-Ken Norton
-George Foreman (40-0)
-Ron Lyle
-Jimmy Young
-Earnie Shavers
-Leon Spinks

Amature Accomplishments
-Six-time Kentucky State Golden Gloves Champion
-1959 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Light Heavyweight Champion
-1959 Intercity Golden Gloves Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Intercity Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion
-1959 & 1960 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Olympic Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist

But Ali wasn't just a boxer, he was a icon and the most known sportsmen and beloved sportsman of all time.

When legends and icon's are talked about, there none more so than the name Muhhamad Ali.

''Your hands cant hit
What your eyes can't see
Float like a butterfly
Sting like a bee
Muhammad, Muhammad Ali''

[Owlzfan84]

When greatness is talked about in the history of boxing, Muhhamad Ali always come in to my head.

Ali at his best possesed phenomenal foot speed and amazing reflexes which ment he took few punchers in his prime years, and when he did get hit he would turn his head to limt the impact of the punch.Ali's lateral movement and fleetness of foot made him the master of ring center. Ali’s judge of distance was also amazing.

Bob Foster, the world light-heavyweight champion agreed, saying, in an interview after their fight, “He has no business being as fast as he is. I never saw that right hand.”

Ali's chin is argubaly the best chin in the history of boxing. He fought some of the harderst punchers in the history of the sport including George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Bob Foster, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Archie Moore, Clevand Williams, LaMar Clark, Ron Lyle, and Mac Foster. And was never knocked out by any of them. The only time he was stopped was his second to last fight.

Joe Frazier once said about Ali, “Lawdy, Lawdy, I hit him with punches that would have brought down the walls of a city. He’s a great and mighty champion.”

He threw some of the most daazling array of combinations the sport has ever see. His long reach allowed him to work from a safe distance, as he would use his fast jab, to set up his incredible combinations. While he would taught opponents to help break down there resistance and get to them mentalliy.

Speed, Accuarcy, and perfect timing helped him to stop fighters with notable durability.

It was a crime that Ali's best years were taken away from him.Ali refused induction into the Army in 1967 and went into forced exile losing three and a half of his best years as a fighter.

When Ali returned he fought much more flat-footed, revealed some never before tested traits such as heart, courage, determination, and the ability to absorb punishment and take a heavy punch.

In my opinion and many others, Ali had the best resume in Heavyweight History. He was also the first ever Three Time Heavyweight Champion

Ali Resume Of Wins
-Archie Moore
-Sonny Liston
-Floyd Patterson
-Oscar Natalio Bonavena
-Joe Frazier
-Bob Foster
-Ken Norton
-George Foreman (40-0)
-Ron Lyle
-Jimmy Young
-Earnie Shavers
-Leon Spinks

Amature Accomplishments
-Six-time Kentucky State Golden Gloves Champion
-1959 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Light Heavyweight Champion
-1959 Intercity Golden Gloves Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Intercity Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion
-1959 & 1960 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion
-1960 Olympic Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist

But Ali wasn't just a boxer, he was a icon and the most known sportsmen and beloved sportsman of all time.

When legends and icon's are talked about, there none more so than the name Muhhamad Ali.

Your hands cant hit
What your eyes can't see
Float like a butterfly
Sting like a bee
Muhammad, Muhammad Ali''

it just goes to show, no matter how much you accomplish, there will always be people that try to discredit you.