Is Luis Ortiz the greatest heavyweight to never win a title

[billeau2]

I wouldn't call Ortiz elite. I do think he was, like a lot of the Cuban fighters we see, talented and technically accomplished. I also do not think he was unfortunate to be in an era of giants... He was unfortunate to come in the ranks later in his career, like a lot of the Cubans. His only real problem was running into Wilder when Wilder was capable. Like Willow Wisp says" he would have given Joshua a good fight and could have even won." Wilder caught him haphhazardly and if one watches those two fights Ortiz was winning both for what it is worth.

Certainly Ortiz was better than many Joshua fans give him credit for being!

[morph_resurrected]

You kids have no idea about Earnie Shavers or Ron Lyle? Quarry? Wills?

Shavers was Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson.

70 KOs on the record of Shavers is quite impressive.

I’m pretty sure they interviewed George Foreman about Ernie Shavers and George was quoted as saying, “I never fought Ernie Shavers, thank god”

[kafkod]

He has the combination of elite level boxing skills, brutal ko power and a granite chin.

He was just unfortunate to be in an era with a 6'7" monster puncher who only needs to be perfect for one second.

If not for Wilder and Andy Ruiz, Ortiz would have gone down in history as the best PBC HW of all time!

[kafkod]

Never having won a world title belt, which many contenders for the real (linial) title do; Ortiz definitely makes the short list within the "4 belt era" (c. 2007). No question about it. Had he been in the opposite corner against Anthony Joshua in June 2019 instead of Andy Ruiz Jr., he very likely would have snagged himself a few belts, given his skill and power during that time.

His team obviously didn't share that opinion, or they wouldn't have turned down a career high offer to fight AJ on that date.