Im sick of all this Morales, MAB, and Pac #4# stuff

[Mech.]

I thought I would put this up again since Im still seeing all these sad list with Morales 1,2,or 3. And I see MAB high on these list even though he was just dominated and KO 2 fights ago. So so sad

haha, yeah maybe, i dont like MAB, but hes proven himself way more than Twinky has, its not just about building up a good record, you have to go out of your way to prove you deserve to be p4p, and if not winky fault, if it can be said he's fighting in a shallow division, then so is Vitali, and hes not making anybodys p4p list, and relative to each persons division, vitali has fought the better competition.

[oldgringo]

Erik deserves to be fairly high on the list. I have him in my top five, although I'm not sure that he deserves to be top 3. I'd slate him and Tszyu 3/4...and that's interchangeable. I don't think losing two close decisions to the best little man of the last 10 years, and beating all other top competition constitutes being bounced out of the top 5-7 fighters in the world. In his last 5 fights he's convincingly beat Chavez, Hernandez, Espadas, Pacquiao, and lost a very close decision to Barrera. Add to the fact that he's very active (whereas Tszyu is not), I think he should definitely be in the top 5. I'd agree with the fact that its lame that MAB/Morales/JMM/Pac keep fighting each other, but who are the other world beaters at these weights who could present the level of competition that these guys bring? Morales will probably be moving up soon and may be a 4 div champ within the next couple of years.

[Floydmayweather]

The reason they are pound for pound is because anyone else at the weight gets their ass beat.

[DLT]

Erik deserves to be fairly high on the list. I have him in my top five, although I'm not sure that he deserves to be top 3. I'd slate him and Tszyu 3/4...and that's interchangeable. I don't think losing two close decisions to the best little man of the last 10 years, and beating all other top competition constitutes being bounced out of the top 5-7 fighters in the world. In his last 5 fights he's convincingly beat Chavez, Hernandez, Espadas, Pacquiao, and lost a very close decision to Barrera. Add to the fact that he's very active (whereas Tszyu is not), I think he should definitely be in the top 5. I'd agree with the fact that its lame that MAB/Morales/JMM/Pac keep fighting each other, but who are the other world beaters at these weights who could present the level of competition that these guys bring? Morales will probably be moving up soon and may be a 4 div champ within the next couple of years.

Your talking about lifetime and thats not what this is about. He has 2 recent losses to MAB. You say that MAB was so great but just 2 fights before he beat Morales, he was dominated and KO by Pac. How can Erik get in the top 4 with a win over a guy who didnt even win his last fight. His performances of late are not worthy of being in the top 4 so stop being biased. He just barely beat a one arm Chaves

[arhoihoi]

Im sick of these guys losing and all of you want to keep putting them high on the list. It's the same **** people use to do with Oscar. Some of you now have Morales in the top 5 and some have him all the way at 3. How can he be in the top 5 when he just beat a guy who was coming off a draw and before that people said he was finished because he lost twice to MAB and had close wins over lesser fighters including one over a one arm Chaves which he might have lost if that didnt happened.

How can MAB be high on the list when just 2 fights ago he was dominated and KO by Pac

How can Pac be high on the list when he just lost to Erik and had a draw in the fight before

Give other fighters a chance. Winky hasnt lost in a while and beat Shane twice convincinly and is now moving up and fighting Tito. Zab just be a top 5 #4# guy in his backyard and by KO. Chico and Castillo have been fighting the best and will now fight each other. R.Marquez beat Too Sharp twice and once by KO and plus KO Tim Austin. Let these guys get there props. There are more fighters in the world then those 3 on the title. You guys act like he destroyed Pac.

They can be on the list but not high on the list with the recent wins those other guys have.

Im a Floyd fan but if he was totaly dominated and TKO by Zoo just a couple of fights ago like MAB, you guys know that you would not put him high on the list. If Floyd lost his last fight to Zoo and had a draw with Gatti in his previous fight like Pac, you guys know that you would not have him high on the list. If he lost 2 fights to Zoo and had some close fights including a close win over a one arm Gatti like Morales then you would not have him high on the list. If Floyd did those things, most of you wouldnt have him on the list at all, let alone in the top 5. Stop being biased to your favorite fighters and your countryman

so tszyu is teh best p4p?

[oldgringo]

Your talking about lifetime and thats not what this is about. He has 2 recent losses to MAB. You say that MAB was so great but just 2 fights before he beat Morales, he was dominated and KO by Pac. How can Erik get in the top 4 with a win over a guy who didnt even win his last fight. His performances of late are not worthy of being in the top 4 so stop being biased. He just barely beat a one arm Chaves

If your on that "what have you done for me lately" tip...then what the hell has YOUR BOY Floyd done for us lately? By this logic...Floyd shouldn't be as high up on the list since he's beaten, oh, Bruseles, Sosa, NDou and Corley...none of which are world class fighters. Not to mention thats in a span of 2 years. The reason that Floyd is so high on the list (I don't dispute him being 1a behind Hopkins) is because of what has done in his LIFETIME. Not because he's been ****ting on top notch comp in the past couple of years.

For the guy who runs around these forums proclaiming that he "keeps it real", its strange that you'd question Barreras greatness. I can't think of any guys who are in these guys (Morales, MAB, Marquez, Pacquiao) class at 126 and 130, outside of Yoda 3K maybe. I think Barrera should be somewhere in the 8-10 range and Morales should be somewhere around the 4/5 spot. Beating the IBF beltholder Hernandez, losing a close decision to Barrera, and then winning a convincing decision against the guy who dominated Barrera and almost took out the 126 lb champion deserves to put you in the top 5 IMO.

Morales didn't "just barely get by" a one handed Chavez. Even though Chavez hurt his hand, he gave a very spirited performance. Morales still won the fight fairly convincingly in my eyes and I think he did on the cards as well (I don't remember what they were). Keep one thing straight though...you are NOT the authority on how p4p rankings should go. Neither am I, nor is anyone else on these forums. So stop telling people they are "biased" or wrong for having their own opinions. Just keeping it real.

[oldgringo]

Your talking about lifetime and thats not what this is about. He has 2 recent losses to MAB. You say that MAB was so great but just 2 fights before he beat Morales, he was dominated and KO by Pac. How can Erik get in the top 4 with a win over a guy who didnt even win his last fight. His performances of late are not worthy of being in the top 4 so stop being biased. He just barely beat a one arm Chaves

Let me ask you, should Castillo beat Corrales in a convincing fashion...what do you do with him in terms of P4P ranking.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

EM, MP, Barrera... The reason they're so high up on the list is because the fight the best. Would you rather see Mayweather fight another Bruselles to keep his unbeaten record?

[lapulapu]

Thats my point man. Alot of experts have Juan Marquez up there to. Just because these guys keep fighting eachother and losing to eachother doesnt mean they should stay on top the rankings over top other guys who are also beating top talent and arent losing

These 4 guys, when any 2 meet each other produces a REAL FIGHT.

I think these 4 muskeeters are changing the horizon for boxing. They bring credibility to it. The fans don't appreciate it when they fight others. Salido for Marquez - a lot of complaints. Ayala for Barerra - nobody cared. 3K for Pacman - who's that. Morales is a top ten coz he went for Pac after MAB.

I love these 4 only if they fight each other coz I know its gonna be a REAL FIGHT.

[DLT]

so tszyu is teh best p4p?

Read the thread I made about top 10 pound for pound. Zoo is 3rd