Should Fury stop Usyk....How Great?

[billeau2]

Fury suprised Klitschko with playing tag for 12 rounds and went insane when he had to contractually fight him again so went on a coke binge as an excuse. Wlad could have tailored his gameplan specifically for that pathetic performance, and Fury knew this thats why he faked his meltdown. Was counted out in Wilder 1, a Wilder that went life and death with 45 y/o Ortiz, and only fought cans that were fed to him by Al Haymon. Now he fights Usyk but again the size difference plays a major factor here, the only thing that keeps him on top. Would lose against most fighters on that list prime for prime.

Jesus Christ almighty... Did you watch the fight? I don't care what one thinks about Fury. When teaching a fighter, why amatuer training breeds such bad habits, and what a professional fighter needs to master skill wise, when it comes to feints, timing, using the back foot, this fight is a master class. Fury showed incredible skills nullifying Klitchsko, so much so that the legendary myth about Willie Pep not needing to throw a punch to win a round, almost is believable. Fury beat a great champion using nothing but a jab... And he did it using fundamental skills that are seriously lacking in boxing today. It was hardly a game of tag.

[PRINCEKOOL]

People must really rate Anthony Joshua, if? Fury beating Uysk then Joshua 'Elevates him to within the top-5 Heavyweights of all-time'.

I disagree, there are no active Heavyweights currently today 'Who are in reach of breaking into the top-5 Heavyweights of all-time'.

Tyson Fury quite simply does not have the whole body of work, as a Champion even if he beats Oleksandr Usyk 'I still would not rate Fury, as a greater Heavyweight Champion than Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Wladimir Kiltschko as Champion took on all comers, if they were ranked or made mandatory then Kiltschko would fight them 'Tyson Fury as a Champion has not been conducting himself in this manner. This is proven by the fact that it has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to actually fight him throughout his career'.

Winning one fight, does not disregard the years were Tyson Fury 'Really was not conducting himself like a great Champion. Or holding himself to a very high standard'.

Kiltschko also without much hesitation fought and beat my fighter David Haye. Who was baring a technicality the Undisputed Cruiser-weight World Champion, just like Oleksandr Usyk.

Tyson Fury as a Champion, has not taken on all comers and he has backed out of a fight with Oleksandr Uysk twice.

Wladimir Kiltschko achieved a total of 24 successful Championship defenses 'And won 26 Championship level fights, from a total of 29 Championship level fights.

Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.

• Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 6 Championship fights in total.

Fury's raw statistics in comparison are not really registering on the radar with the other all-time great Champions.

When you are a Champion, you fight your nearest competition 'You go down the rankings, this is what all great Champions have done'.

Note: Tyson Fury is a great fighter, and I have stated in my recent posts 'That his clutch game, his ability to compete in a big fight situation thus-far? Is one of his best attributes. Tyson Fury has nearly won all of his biggest fights in his career'.

I just believe people are giving Fury the credit for feats of achievement he has not achieved i.e Certain people here are saying, that Tyson Fury as cleared out the Heavyweight Division in terms of fighters from his era.

The facts of physical reality, and boxing history are 'That it was not Tyson Fury who conclusively took this Heavyweight era into a completely new dynasty 'Anthony Joshua was the Heavyweight Fighter who conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko once over the distance 'Then he disappeared'. No new Heavyweight dynasty was declared or initiated, Wladimir Kiltschko a Champion of close to 10 years, contrary to what certain narratives have tried to promote? Kiltschko never retired, he immediately initiated a forced the rematch with Tyson Fury'.

Champions of the calibre of Wladimir Kiltschko do not disappear or are dethroned after 1 loss over the distance 'It was a injustice, that a Champion of close to 10 years was not given the opportunity to win back his Titles'.

Fury pulled out of the rematch twice vs Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance 'Over a duration of 17 months, Wladimir Kiltschko endured three back to back training camps before facing Anthony Joshua'.

It was Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight, who stepped up and conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty. 'Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, and that was the night when the division was conclusively took into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter, and good Heavyweight Champion thus-far in his career. But to compare Tyson Fury, and rate him above fighters with the statistics of a Wladimir Kiltschko, Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson is in my observation giving Tyson Fury credit for feats of achievement he has not achieved.

Joe Louis was the Heavyweight World Champion for 11 years 'At a time when the Heavyweight title, was the single greatest competitive accolade, title, mantle any man could aloft on planet earth'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter, but he has not been a great Champion 'Not the level where we can start rating him over boxing giants that still influence the game'.

If there is one Heavyweight fighter than can potentially fight his way to the highest ranking of all his nearest competitors from this era 'It is Anthony Joshua'.

Because Joshua has been the Champion that has taken on all comers, he has in my opinion conducted himself as a Champion greater than Tyson Fury etc.

[Haka]

People must really rate Anthony Joshua, if? Fury beating Uysk then Joshua 'Elevates him to within the top-5 Heavyweights of all-time'.

I disagree, there are no active Heavyweights currently today 'Who are in reach of breaking into the top-5 Heavyweights of all-time'.

Tyson Fury quite simply does not have the whole body of work, as a Champion even if he beats Oleksandr Usyk 'I still would not rate Fury, as a greater Heavyweight Champion than Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Wladimir Kiltschko as Champion took on all comers, if they were ranked or made mandatory then Kiltschko would fight them 'Tyson Fury as a Champion has not been conducting himself in this manner. This is proven by the fact that it has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to actually fight him throughout his career'.

Winning one fight, does not disregard the years were Tyson Fury 'Really was not conducting himself like a great Champion. Or holding himself to a very high standard'.

Kiltschko also without much hesitation fought and beat my fighter David Haye. Who was baring a technicality the Undisputed Cruiser-weight World Champion, just like Oleksandr Usyk.

Tyson Fury as a Champion, has not taken on all comers and he has backed out of a fight with Oleksandr Uysk twice.

Wladimir Kiltschko achieved a total of 24 successful Championship defenses 'And won 26 Championship level fights, from a total of 29 Championship level fights.

Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.

• Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 6 Championship fights in total.

Fury's raw statistics in comparison are not really registering on the radar with the other all-time great Champions.

When you are a Champion, you fight your nearest competition 'You go down the rankings, this is what all great Champions have done'.

Note: Tyson Fury is a great fighter, and I have stated in my recent posts 'That his clutch game, his ability to compete in a big fight situation thus-far? Is one of his best attributes. Tyson Fury has nearly won all of his biggest fights in his career'.

I just believe people are giving Fury the credit for feats of achievement he has not achieved i.e Certain people here are saying, that Tyson Fury as cleared out the Heavyweight Division in terms of fighters from his era.

The facts of physical reality, and boxing history are 'That it was not Tyson Fury who conclusively took this Heavyweight era into a completely new dynasty 'Anthony Joshua was the Heavyweight Fighter who conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko once over the distance 'Then he disappeared'. No new Heavyweight dynasty was declared or initiated, Wladimir Kiltschko a Champion of close to 10 years, contrary to what certain narratives have tried to promote? Kiltschko never retired, he immediately initiated a forced the rematch with Tyson Fury'.

Champions of the calibre of Wladimir Kiltschko do not disappear or are dethroned after 1 loss over the distance 'It was a injustice, that a Champion of close to 10 years was not given the opportunity to win back his Titles'.

Fury pulled out of the rematch twice vs Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance 'Over a duration of 17 months, Wladimir Kiltschko endured three back to back training camps before facing Anthony Joshua'.

It was Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight, who stepped up and conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty. 'Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, and that was the night when the division was conclusively took into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter, and good Heavyweight Champion thus-far in his career. But to compare Tyson Fury, and rate him above fighters with the statistics of a Wladimir Kiltschko, Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson is in my observation giving Tyson Fury credit for feats of achievement he has not achieved.

Joe Louis was the Heavyweight World Champion for 11 years 'At a time when the Heavyweight title, was the single greatest competitive accolade, title, mantle any man could aloft on planet earth'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter, but he has not been a great Champion 'Not the level where we can start rating him over boxing giants that still influence the game'.

If there is one Heavyweight fighter than can potentially fight his way to the highest ranking of all his nearest competitors from this era 'It is Anthony Joshua'.

Because Joshua has been the Champion that has taken on all comers, he has in my opinion conducted himself as a Champion greater than Tyson Fury etc.

[Willow The Wisp]

Long winded anti-Fury/uplifting Klitschko and Joshua post (and a pretty good post mostly), then somebory posts Ruiz blowing away Joshua...Lol.

Hilarious!!!!!

....And honest.


I suppose (and hope) that deep down, anybody who knows anything about this sport knows that:

1. The human body was not designed for this abuse.

2. Every fighter has a suite of profound strenghts and weaknesses.

3. Thet ability and sacrifice that it takes to earn a top 25 ranking is astounding and rare.

4. Fury, Wilder, Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, Whyte, Klitschko, Parker, etc., are all absolute masters of their craft, doing it their unique way and winning.

5. They don't pay millions for somebody doing something poorly. All the fighters that posters here praise and criticize are rare animals with the moxie to give it their all in a sport that hands nothing out for free.

[Eff Pandas]

He'll be the clear #1 of this era & have a ton of arguments for all this atg hw/p4p sh^t that I personally have lil interest in.

[ELPacman]

I'm not going to rate it that highly. Usyk is getting old. He's also a small heavyweight. Fury on the other hand is a large heavyweight and knows how to use his size well. Perhaps AJ didn't, and pairing Usyk's movement then, it befuddled AJ and his size didn't matter. I think Fury has all the ingredients to beat Usyk, especially now. If Usyk was going to win, I'd say, he needed more youth to keep up strong mobility for all 12 rds. I can see him tiring nowadays and finally succumbing to the big man. What's the OLE adage? A good big man, always beats a good little man.

[Willow The Wisp]

I'll have Ali at number 1, he's got the best wins in heavyweight history imo. As for Fury, if he beats Usyk (which I think he will) I'd probably reluctantly put him in the top 10 (just because he's a tough fight for anyone) but he's more accurately somewhere between 10 - 20.

He'll have 3 important wins on his record and will go down as the best of his era but outside of those wins, he doesn't have the title defences or consistency of good "mid-level" opposition. Just 3 big wins, Whyte and Chisora for the mid-level wins and not much else worth mentioning.

I listed heavyweights from 1974 Forward, and Ali had 4 spectacular years as a busy champion during that time-frame and a couple of years I'd rather forget. His 2nd reign featured more great heavyweights than those of any champion since - For sure. But Frazer III, Norton III, Lyle, Young and Shavers were very close, and made him work very hard to win. Throw in both halves of Ali's career and he is head & shoulders above Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko, Foreman or anyone else since him.

[Willow The Wisp]

It's impossible for any rational human being to call a boxer who had been the undisputed CW champ of the world and a 3 belt HW champ a "bum". So any such comment would need to be ignored.

"Rational human being"? Know any?

[786]

I listed heavyweights from 1974 Forward, and Ali had 4 spectacular years as a busy champion during that time-frame and a couple of years I'd rather forget. His 2nd reign featured more great heavyweights than those of any champion since - For sure. But Frazer III, Norton III, Lyle, Young and Shavers were very close, and made him work very hard to win. Throw in both halves of Ali's career and he is head & shoulders above Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko, Foreman or anyone else since him.

Fair enough, I didn't realise your list was from 1974. I should've read more carefully.