These heavyweights are the worst ever, but Usyk has proven he can hang with the GOATS

[Atypicalbrit]

This era is the worst, most putrid and turgid ever.

They are all bums, club fighters.

Mike Tyson goes through the entire top ten and ko 1's all of them in a single night.

George foreman would bring a fresh supply of body bags for these bums.

Forget about Joe Frazier, MARVIS would be undisputed today

Sam Peter would destroy all these bums

Sultan ibragamov was like Ali compared to these gun sweepers

Michael Bentt would go through these guys unbeaten

Peter mcneely would end these guys careers





Apart from Usyk that is, he's an ATG and live vs anyone in history.

That's how that works.

[deathofaclown]

Gonna be some embarrassed people and a LOT of excuses on here when Fury smashes Usyk.

Usyk can't deal with fighters who use their size difference, that's why he won 115-113 vs a shot to bits chisora. Even Usyk's manager said it could be a draw.

He's lucky AJ and Dubois have no idea how to use their size inside.

Fury will maul him, easy night.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Gonna be some embarrassed people and a LOT of excuses on here when Fury smashes Usyk.

Usyk can't deal with fighters who use their size difference, that's why he won 115-113 vs a shot to bits chisora. Even Usyk's manager said it could be a draw.

He's lucky AJ and Dubois have no idea how to use their size inside.

Fury will maul him, easy night.

Tyson Fury is not a stronger fighter in terms of brute strength than Anthony Joshua 'Usyk has already beaten a Super Heavyweight who is physically stronger, and has more proven punching power than Fury'.

Joshua, Dubois, Chisora 'All of these fighters are in my opinion, physically stronger fighters than Fury. Two of those fighters for sure, have more proven punching power 'Joshua and Dubois'.

So this notion that Fury is just going to turn up and use his mass and then Usyk is going to fall over 'Is just nonsense, and a cliche stereotypical observation'.

Did you watch the Ngannou vs Joshua fight? Did you see how Joshua was able to negate and wrestle Ngannou on the inside? Joshua performed by far better in this area than Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou 'Joshua performed better in this area, because his brute strength is greater than Fury's'.

Note: Tyson Fury and his team, from what I can see? Are not really preparing to use a game plan where they just bull forward vs Oleksandr Uysk. Tyson Fury and his team have reacted in panic to his last performance vs Ngannou, and they have gone into complete overdrive.

They have gone into overdrive, because they are unsure of whether the 270 + pound Kronk Fury 'Is the right version of Fury to take on the challenge of Uysk'.

One of Tyson Fury's abilities, is that he has always been very good at reading a fight 'But this is the first time in his career, that I have seen him unsure on how to approach and prepare for a specific fight'.

And this uncertainty, on how to prepare for Uysk is also on display with Tyson Fury's entire team 'Before Fury fought Ngannou, the mass consensus was that Fury could ether out box Uysk or just wade forward and bull him'.

In the post aftermath of that fight 'That mass consensus was completely altered'. All of a sudden, even though Fury in all of his recent fights had been weighing in at 270 + pounds Suddenly after 10 rounds vs Ngannou, that version of Fury had not been training'.

The perception of Kronk Fury in one fight had completely altered 'No longer did Fury's hardcore fans believe, that this version of Fury was formidable'.

Tyson Fury weigh in at 277 pounds, fully clothed vs Ngannou 'So Fury was most likely in and around 275 to 274 pounds approximately'. Was Tyson Fury in his absolute best condition ever? No, but for sure Tyson Fury did put himself through a training camp for Ngannou'.

That is why that performance vs Ngannou 'Hit Fury him and his team really hard. Because they all know that he trained, and if he is that much better than all these other Heavyweights? Fury should of been able to legitimately win that fight vs Ngannou'.

Note: The why you are talking Deathoftheclown 'You are speaking like you know, which type of Fury is coming to fight vs Uysk'. But from what I have seen, during this entire build up 'Fury and his team, are uncertain of which version of Fury to bring vs Uysk'. All of the interviews from Fury's team since the Ngannou fight, display this uncertainty'.

What I am sensing is that, Tyson Fury and his team as a reaction to his performance vs Ngannou 'They have gone into complete overdrive'. And the signs are there, that they are attempting to bring back a version of Fury who has 'Shades of the Riddler'.

Tyson Fury and his team, believe tactically 'That they can beat Oleksandr Uysk at his own game, Fury is approaching this fight in a very similar fashion to the way Anthony Joshua did twice' This is what I am sensing at this stage of the fight preparations'.

And I personally think this move, potentially is a tactical mistake in preparation 'Because Fury for many years, has been fighting from a entirely different concept'.

We have seen throughout History, when fighters similar to Fury 'Suddenly decide to go into complete overdrive in training, most of the time it can backfire'.

Ricky Hatton lost his comeback fight vs Vyacheslav Senchenko 'Not because he was not good enough. Hatton lost that fight because he was over trained, and his decision to suddenly go into complete overdrive after years of not living at that level of intensity was a mistake' Ricky Hatton in my opinion, would of won his comeback fight vs Vyacheslav Senchenko if he would of had 1 to 2 ticking over fights before fighting Senchenko.

When Rid**** Bowe fought Andrew Golota for the first time, it was not a great performance by Bowe 'Bowe weighed in at a career heaviest for that fight'. As a reaction to his performance vs Golota I, Bowe went into complete overdrive in preparation for his rematch vs Golota II'. The rematch was a awesome fight, a brutal Heavyweight match up 'But it was clear that Bowe was over trained, he dropped masses of weight which had a negative effect upon his durability' George Foreman while commentating on the fight, actually made this observation and detected the mistake that Rid**** Bowe had made in fight preparation.

It was a conscious and tactical career move from Fury, to suddenly start coming into fights 270 + pounds 'Fury himself, has even alluded to this in many interviews. He has actually boasted in a quite recent interview, that? He was the first super Heavyweight to start coming into fights at these unprecedented high weights. Then once he started doing it, other Super Heavyweights also began to embrace such fight preparations'.

For many years Tyson Fury, has been fighting from this concept 'But now suddenly, it appears that Fury and his team have altered their preparations in a panic quite dramatically'. From my experience of boxing, knowledge of training and observing the history of the sport? This is a unwise move, it is potentially tactically a big mistake'.

Tyson Fury for me since the Oleksandr Uysk fight was called for, has been showing his inexperience at fighting at Elite and World level within the sport of Boxing 'And I believe even his team around him are showing inexperience'.

The reality of Fury's career is 'Fury is not a experience fighter, at fighting at Elite and World level. Not to the level Anthony Joshua or Oleksandr Uysk'.

My concern for Fury coming into this fight, has always been 'How will Tyson Fury approach the fight. Not in terms of, is Fury going to be lacking effort. But in terms of? Are Tyson Fury and his team going to tactically make the right decision and prepare with the most wise and optimal tactics'.

From what I have seen deathoftheclown, all the signs of there 'That Tyson Fury and his team, are uncertainty on how to prepare and approach this fight. They have gone into complete overdrive, as a reaction to Fury's performance vs Ngannou' And I believe this tactical move in preparation, is not the optimal way Fury should train for this fight'.

Tyson Fury was already in fight condition over 4 months ago, although his performance was not great vs Ngannou 'There were positives he could take from fight, and training camp. I believe it would of been a much more optimal tactic, if Fury would of just stacked back to back training camps, with no dramatic altercations and solidified his conditioning from the Francis Ngannou fight'.

That sort of preparation will ward off overtraining, and amplifies belief in Tyson Fury himself 'Instead from what I have seen, and what I sense? Tyson Fury and his team have gone into complete overdrive, and they are in a state of uncertainty'.

I have always stated that Tyson Fury vs Okeksandr Uysk 'Could potentially be vey similar fight to Joshua vs Uysk I & II'. Ether Tyson Fury does a bit better than Anthony Joshua and wins, or Fury gets beaten in even more worst fashion than Joshua. Due to being innately a more clumsy fighter who does not have solid fundamentals or is as technically correct as Joshua'.

I have watched Fury's entire career 'This is the first time ever, I have seen him unsure and uncertainty on how to approach a fight.' etc.

[_Rexy_]

Gonna be some embarrassed people and a LOT of excuses on here when Fury smashes Usyk.

Usyk can't deal with fighters who use their size difference, that's why he won 115-113 vs a shot to bits chisora. Even Usyk's manager said it could be a draw.

He's lucky AJ and Dubois have no idea how to use their size inside.

Fury will maul him, easy night.

That fight wasn't close, it couldn't have been a draw, you guys are crazy.

9-3 fight, clear as day. Piecing someone up on the back foot doesn't mean you're losing. Del Boy was hurt more than once. 9-3 fight, easy to score.

Hell, Chisora only outlanded Usyk 2 of 12 rounds (the first two) but yeah, he was walking face first into punches so it was close


You could also argue that Fury struggles against smaller fighters (Cunningham, Wallin, McDermott) and Southpaws (Wallin, Nganou)

[TMLT87]

Joe Hipp would take out the current top 10 all in the same night.

[MusoMeanderings]

Butterbean would be top ten today.

[deathofaclown]

That fight wasn't close, it couldn't have been a draw, you guys are crazy.

9-3 fight, clear as day. Piecing someone up on the back foot doesn't mean you're losing. Del Boy was hurt more than once. 9-3 fight, easy to score.

Hell, Chisora only outlanded Usyk 2 of 12 rounds (the first two) but yeah, he was walking face first into punches so it was close


You could also argue that Fury struggles against smaller fighters (Cunningham, Wallin, McDermott) and Southpaws (Wallin, Nganou)

Struggled with cunningham so much that cunningham was convulsing on the floor in the 7th round

Wallin fight wasnt close really, a one eyed Fury punched him around the ring nearly every round. Only looked a tough fight because of the cut. Wallin won about 2 rounds.

McDermott 1 was close, but that was an inexperienced and ill prepared fury. He got serious in the rematch and put him to sleep.

try again.

Usyk won't be getting a bad version of Fury. He will end up sprawled on the floor like Cunningham. Fury was the only man to knock him out, simply because no ex cruiserweight is going to be able to avoid being manhandled by Fury. He knows how to use size advantage better than anyone.

[Dakuwaqa]

Struggled with cunningham so much that cunningham was convulsing on the floor in the 7th round

Wallin fight wasnt close really, a one eyed Fury punched him around the ring nearly every round. Only looked a tough fight because of the cut. Wallin won about 2 rounds.

McDermott 1 was close, but that was an inexperienced and ill prepared fury. He got serious in the rematch and put him to sleep.

try again.

Usyk won't be getting a bad version of Fury. He will end up sprawled on the floor like Cunningham. Fury was the only man to knock him out, simply because no ex cruiserweight is going to be able to avoid being manhandled by Fury. He knows how to use size advantage better than anyone.

How do you see the fight going? What do you think Fury’s game plan will be ?

[PRINCEKOOL]

How do you see the fight going? What do you think Fury’s game plan will be ?

Dakuwaqa 'They don't know, hardcore Fury fans do not know what type of Fury is turning up'.

Tyson Fury and his team are uncertain on how to approach and prepare for this fight 'And this uncertainty is displaying itself, in everyone who is backing Tyson Fury including Deathoftheclown'.

That is why, all they can do is make cliche statements such as 'Fury is going to use his mass, bull forward and Usyk will fall over'.

If that is the game plan, then why has Fury and his team gone into complete overdrive? Why suddenly, have people very close to Fury got a issue with his conditioning? Fury has been coming in at 270 + pounds consistently for all of his recent fights. But after one fight vs Ngannou, NOW everyone is claiming that Fury was not training and he was grossly out of condition.

In reality, Uysk has been consistently fighting Heavyweights 'Who have more punching power than Fury, and brute strength'.

Tyson Fury is not a stronger fighter than Anthony Joshua 'Joshua is also a more proven power puncher'.

Chisora, Dubois, Joshua 'All of these fighters in my opinion, especially Dubois and Joshua? Have more brute strength and punching power than Fury'.'.

Note: The way you are asking a direct question to Deathoftheclown, I would be surprised if he gives you a in-depth response 'On the subject of this fight, he may struggle with that type of dialog'. Because the signs are all there, that Fury's team do not know what they are doing 100%.

Most likely you will just get the usual cliche responses that the media have tried to drum into the boxing community i.e Tyson Fury can move like a middle weight, Tyson Fury is going to bull forward and Usyk is going to fall over, Tyson Fury knows how to use his mass.

If Tyson Fury was is so great at using his mass, what was the issue with Francis Ngannou? Joshua in his fight vs Ngannou 'The first time a clinche was initiated, Joshua negated Ngannou's strength. Which for me, was a very impressive part of Joshua's performance'.

So like I stated in my first post in this thread, Tyson Fury and his team are uncertain on how to approach and prepare for this fight 'And that same uncertainty is also being display with Fury's hardcore fans'.

I have always stated that the fight, may be very similar to Joshua vs Uysk I & II 'Ether Tyson Fury does a bit better than Anthony Joshua and wins, or Fury gets beaten in even more worst fashion than Joshua. Due to being innately a more clumsy fighter who does not have solid fundamentals or is as technically correct as Joshua'.

You are asking some good questions here 'Questions that need to be answered, in my opinion by hardcore Fury fans'.

I want to know what Deathoftheclown believes Fury's game plan is going to be? etc.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I think Fury can't fight Usyk on the front foot and "be the bigger man". His biggest advantage here is his 7" reach advantage IMO. If he remembers how to use it on the outside and stick and move, he'll be able to rack up points while keeping Usyk either neutralized or having to make big moves to come in so Fury can run him into shots.

The issue he's got is that he can't use his size and weight in the way he's accustomed to. Usually he just d****s himself on his opponents to rest and drain them. But Usyk may end up pulling out and dropping his weight to hang on Fury's biceps. He can use the weight transfer to come in and fight on the inside when Fury's on his heels. Fury likes to try to lift them up and push them across the ring too, but that doesn't work against someone with wrestling experience. They can just pivot out and take the side position. There's a lot of tools that can be used to counter the bigger man in boxing. And that cut is absolutely ripe for Usyk's cross lead. Fury is in against two different kinds of guys he struggles with, and that he's beaten in the past by being a better boxer. That's not going to be the case here. He's likely in the hardest fight of his career here, and after all his talk about being able to crush Usyk "the middleweight" with no camp, his big mouth has painted him into a corner.