Comments Thread For: Wilder's Trainer Sees Andy Ruiz, Daniel Dubois as Possible Future Options

[PRINCEKOOL]

Helenius is a journeyman. It’s long ago he was a contender.

He was a good contender once. Sharp and methodological in his approach to jab until he found the openings. Now he’s just timber falling hard each time he fights a serious fight. His best wins since Chisora are Teper and Kownacki both of whom are complete bums.

Franklin has just stepped up against Whyte and AJ. Wallin has been a fringe contender but remaining victorious against better opposition than Helenius.

Helenius is a journeyman who happened to beat a no-good contender in Kownacki.

Parker was a journey man before facing Wilder then, and now Wilder is a journey man 'By your ratings, not mine'.

There is one thing you cannot deny? Wallin was not a journey man when Joshua fought him.

Note: For me personally, a Journey man is a domestic level fighter 'Who has never won any national, or international titles' etc.

[Bob]

Note: No matter what people say about Joshua, during is comeback 'Joshua has not been fighting journey men, Franklin, Helenius and Wallin are not Journey men' etc.

They're the epitome of journey men & the stay busy fight's Aj needed & what he should have been doing between big fight's all along like they used to.

Frank, total journeyman, he'd semi retired still working the day job before Whyte.
Helenius pushing 40, biggest win beat a super obese LH arm puncher.
Wallin a slow weak no power dabber famous for winning all of 3 rounds against Fury, I called it.

Wilder is now in the same spot Aj was but the difference is Wilders 38 & his legs are gone, he's been aged out of relevance nicely by Eddie & Aj. He should retire happy healthy & wealthy.

[Bob]

Growing up Iron Mike Tyson burst onto the scene, 80s Mike beat every belt holder & former belt holder of the 80s (rummys corner) He stopped the world without the internet every time he boxed. Throughout the 90s we'd tune in hoping to see that Mike he had such an aura but he never showed up.

Forward to today, the Fury that schooled Klitschko could dominate today but he's long gone, The Wilder & Aj that knocked over cans & old men for paper belts are also long gone. The younger fresher looking of the 3 is Aj but name a prime dangerous heavyweight he's faced let alone beaten?

Fans of Wilder, like me & 90s Mike he's never going to appear. Buster (ruiz) has demanded 20 mill to Wilder, Fury & Aj lol, he won't ask for less now the Saudis are involved, is he even ranked any more?
Dubois I'd pick against Wilder so maybe he should be looking at the slow no power or footwork dabber Wallin.

[Stuntman Mike]

Dubois would be an entertaining fight as both have power,it'll be curtains for both if wilder lands though both careers would be dead

[Scooby817]

Ruiz is not fighting anyone, except a store clerk to sell him more Snickers.

[PRINCEKOOL]

They're the epitome of journey men & the stay busy fight's Aj needed & what he should have been doing between big fight's all along like they used to.

Frank, total journeyman, he'd semi retired still working the day job before Whyte.
Helenius pushing 40, biggest win beat a super obese LH arm puncher.
Wallin a slow weak no power dabber famous for winning all of 3 rounds against Fury, I called it.

Wilder is now in the same spot Aj was but the difference is Wilders 38 & his legs are gone, he's been aged out of relevance nicely by Eddie & Aj. He should retire happy healthy & wealthy.

Boxing is not Soccer, or basketball mate.

Have you actually been around any boxing gyms? A large percentage of boxers are not full-time fighters 'They have to sacrifice and find multiple ways off their own back to support their training lifestyle's, until they are doing good business. They are not molly coddled like prospects from other sports, mainly team sports'.

That is the very nature of most all individual sports 'They require a different type of dedication, and perseverance in my opinion'.

But once Franklin fought Whyte, he was then able after that fight to train full-time 'That was why he was 22 pounds lighter vs Joshua compared to Whyte. Franklin was 22 pounds lighter when he fought Joshua, that is a completely different fighter'.

Wallin was not a journey man, and he is Tyson Fury's 4th best win 'Wallin is not even rated at Joshua's 5th best win'.

Kiltschko, Povetkin, Parker, Pulev, Ruiz Junior, maybe even Takam at the time when Joshua fought him 'Those are all greater wins than Wallin'.

Note: So Joshua has just beaten up Fury's 4th best win Wallin 'Wallin pushed Tyson Fury in a close fight, and busted him up real good'. Parker who Joshua beat by Unanimous Decision has also just beaten Wilder rather easily, so just accept it mate? I am not claiming that Joshua has a all-time great resume 'But within this era of Heavyweights, Anthony Joshua has one of the most in-depth and commendable resumes'.

Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Wilder 'They are all in the latter part's of their careers mate. Have you not heard? Apparently Joshua has no desire for the game, and has a multitude of issues, such as being petrified to fight any other top level fighters'.

Now all of a sudden, you don't want Wilder to fight Joshua 'Because you sense that Joshua, potentially would **** out Fury's second best win in more impressive fashion than Tyson Fury himself'.

All of the top-4 Heavyweights are pretty much of the same generation 'They are all embroiled in a competition, to see who will be the last man standing. I have always believed in that sort of dynamic, Joshua's traits as a fighter will keep him in the game'.

Fury has track position just about over Usyk 'And Joshua somehow, is still in competition of who will be the last man standing' etc.

[jqSide]

Malik Scot: "But, what’s most important to me is Deontay being right, spiritually, mentally and physically all in one - that’s more my concern, cause I know that when Deontay is all the way right none of those guys can beat him. Right now, after taking that loss and that type of performance, I’m not that keen on calling out guys. I’m focusing on the bigger picture with him getting spiritually, mentally and physically right."
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Translation: He's on his own. Meanwhile, I'll just sit back, relax, dream and hope of more Saudi oil money. I'm a nobody. I need training myself. I have zero idea when he's coming back, if at all.

[Alan Smithee]

Wilder needs a quick couple of journeymen to get rid of his ring rust and get his timing and confidence back. Like, have Wilder fight in Feb./Mar. and again in May/Jun. This will also be a check to see if he has any motivation left to go through the rigor of training and fighting at the elite level again. Then, perhaps rematch Parker or go for Andy, and if he wins then Joshua or Usyk.

Otherwise, he just needs to call it a day instead of embarrassing himself any further.

At this point fighting a nobody is useless. Wilder is already 38. If he can't beat a Dubois or an out of shape Ruiz, then he needs to hang them up. If Ruiz does train his fat arse off and comes in ready, then Deontay could be in trouble. Ruiz has fast hands and that may befuddle Wilder just like Parker!

[MrShakeAndBake]

Fat Andy should give him 30% split lol

[jqSide]

None of these fights will happen. Malik just had to say something. He's got lots of free time to talk.