People forget something, PACQUIAO AIN"T AMERICAN!!!!!!

[aether]

Larios had never fought at SFW.

And keep in mind, Larios was coming off a fight where he was BRUTALLY KO'd by a 122'er. Then moved up two divisions. Did you see how he was KO'd?


By contrast, JMM is an ELITE fighter who had KO'd his previous 2 opponents.

yes he did. he came as high as 127 in one of his bouts and weighed 129 vs pac, same as manny. and it was a tune up bout.

no point arguing with a nuthugger. let's just see what happens.

[Al Haymon]

yes he did. he came as high as 127 in one of his bouts and weighed 129 vs pac, same as manny. and it was a tune up bout.

no point arguing with a nuthugger. let's just see what happens.

So, the fact that Marquez has LW fights early in his career made him a long-time LW, then?

The name-calling is infantile. That is what people doi when intellectually cornered.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Down to the names on his resume Pac maybe slightly ahead it doesnt change the fact that apart from Barrera he hasn't really dominated a top elite. He has also lost 3 times and got beat by a slipping Morales and could quite easily have lost to Marquez both times if Marquez was that marketable..

So Pacs top names on his resume:

Barrera (this win was ****ing huge and great the 1st one in particular)
Morales (way past his best and drained)
Marquez (could have lost both)
Hatton (Punch resistance had gone clearly as was seen vs Floyd/Laszcarno)
Hoya (wont even go into this 1)

So basically apart from Barrera he hasn't dominated any elite fighter or beaten one clearly who was not old, drained etc, this is no excuse either cus Morales/Hoya were for sure and Hatton maybe slightly debatable. Once you look deeper into his resume its not that amazing outside of the Barrera beat downs, wins over Hatton and Hoya are vastly overated. Most likely we will see this when he faces a very good WW in Cotto.

[Al Haymon]

So basically apart from Barrera he hasn't dominated any elite fighter or beaten one clearly who was not old, drained etc, this is no excuse either cus Morales/Hoya were for sure and Hatton maybe slightly debatable.

Snoot,

That's pretty much how I see it.
I take nothing from Pac. I like Pac alot. But let's not compare David Diaz to castillo. Ya know?

[aether]

Down to the names on his resume Pac maybe slightly ahead it doesnt change the fact that apart from Barrera he hasn't really dominated a top elite. He has also lost 3 times and got beat by a slipping Morales and could quite easily have lost to Marquez both times if Marquez was that marketable..

So Pacs top names on his resume:

Barrera (this win was ****ing huge and great the 1st one in particular)
Morales (way past his best and drained)
Marquez (could have lost both)
Hatton (Punch resistance had gone clearly as was seen vs Floyd/Laszcarno)
Hoya (wont even go into this 1)

So basically apart from Barrera he hasn't dominated any elite fighter or beaten one clearly who was not old, drained etc, this is no excuse either cus Morales/Hoya were for sure and Hatton maybe slightly debatable.

hmmm... kinda unfair if you discredit his fights eh?

morales- was past it but still considered elite in their second bout. he had nothing during the 3rd fight

marquez- close fights. both could have gone either way. great competetive fight where pacquiao won one officially.

hatton- pacquaio was favored to win by most people, but not in the way he did it. got his 4th lineal title in doing so. made history

oscar- was supposed to take pacquiao's head off. made a mistake by coming in light. not pacquiao's fault.

pacquiao has one of the best resumes of this era. discredit it all you want but point is he faced everyone and beat people who he isn't supposed to.

he is way higher than floyd up to this point.

[aether]

pacquiao>floyd in terms of accomplishments and legacy

there are plenty of threads here that settled that matter. you can boast all you want about ppv sales and other worthless crap but when it comes down to it, pacquiao>floyd.

pac's gonna fight a fighter floyd never had the balls to face.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

if mr.counterfeit cash was NOT american, NOT loud, & ****y to compensate for a boring fighting style & non threatening resume, he would have never been as highly rated as he is now.

If the fraudulent one had fought the same boxers on his resume right now & had the same fighting style, at the same time not be a american but a quiet, humble, non american, he would be worth half, his bank account, & his fraudulent greatness.

[Al Haymon]

hmmm... kinda unfair if you discredit his fights eh?



he is way higher than floyd up to this point.

well, They were both active at the same time. Floyd was always ranked above Pac on nearly every p4p list. Floyd goes away and returns, immediately claims the 1a spot.

Not consistent with "way higher". At all.

Unless you feel the Diaz/Delahoya/hatton run places him in the pantheon.

[Al Haymon]

if mr.counterfeit cash was NOT american, NOT loud, & ****y to compensate for a boring fighting style & non threatening resume, he would have never been as highly rated as he is now.

If the fraudulent one had fought the same boxers on his resume right now & had the same fighting style, at the same time not be a american but a quiet, humble, non american, he would be worth half, his bank account, & his fraudulent greatness.

LOL @ the "american" thing that has surfaced in, oh, the past 12 hours.

The million buys apparently sent people in Glenn Beck-dom.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Yep im not really sure tbh name wise Pac> Floyd probably, that doesn't change the fact that his resume is weaker.. he:

Lost to a slipping Morales, who on the second fight was coming off a loss to an average fighter, then in the 3rd had nutrionist at ringside.. i mean why the hell was there a need for a rubber match?

Marquez: Schooled Pac badly after Pac shocked him with his power and speed first time out. 2nd fight i thought was a clear close win for Marquez by 2-3 rounds, for marketing reasons Pac got the nod imo.