Comments Thread For: Terence Crawford: Jaron Ennis Going To Be Force To Be Reckoned With - I'd Fight Him

[Combat Talk Radio]

But here's my problem with everything you're saying right now...... basically EVERY fighter you named in this entire post (except for Buster Douglas) IS an elite fighter! Everyone of them. If Boots name can be in the same sentence as all of them, that's an HONOR! Just some names from this list.... Tyson, Floyd, Choco, Roy, Crawford, all hall of Famers. Srisaket, not a hall of Famer, but top notch in the division. Douglas, not so much, but he's one of the most recognizable names out there.

Tyson was not an elite fighter. He himself says so. He had the advantage of fighting guys at the right time plus Cus d'Amato when he was around to keep him in check. Mike Tyson had one real signature (i.e. in their prime, no losses, top of the game, champ, etc.) win - Michael Spinks.

But remember: at that time, EVERY fighter thought Spinks was so damn good that he would have a chance against Tyson. I believe to this day Spinks COULD have beaten Tyson, but Spinks was mentally defeated the moment he signed that contract, as was everyone else before Buster Douglas. If you're not mentally in it, you're not going to win regardless of how good you are.

Yet, this is a guy (Tyson) that went 12 with Mitch 'Blood' Green, a drug dealing gang****er fresh off the streets with barely no training, and couldn't even drop him. Why? Because Green convinced himself (delusional though he was) that he could beat Tyson.

Crawford hasn't been proven to be elite yet. He might be - but not when you're getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by Kavaliauskas. The fight against Spence will answer that question. Spence is closer to elite than Crawford, but Spence got two-pieced, wobbled and (should have been) dropped by Ugas. So they need to fight so we can answer it.

Blair 'The Flair' Cobbs looked elite, until he met Rocha.
Bully Bektemir looked elite, until he met Rosado.
Felix Verdejo looked elite, until he met Lozado Jr.
Peter Quillin looked elite, until he met Jacobs.


"At The End Of The Day", it doesn't matter if you "look" elite. We need it proven against quality opposition. Boots hasn't had that yet. SO until we see it, he's overrated, and guys that HAVE been at least partially tested (Crawford) are expected to make easy work of him. Until proven otherwise.

You're talking as if Boots is worthless and sucks. Let's say your prediction is right (which I don't think it would be) and Crawford knocks Boots out in 9. Then Boots goes on to beat other great fighters as time passes. So 40-1 with a loss to a Hall of Famer is "overrated" to you?! There's more good boxers in this world than just 2 or 3 man. You're grading scale is ridiculously hard. If Crawford were to beat boots, it would be the best win on Crawfords resume by far. I would think everyone would agree with that, even you. So what does that tell you?

#1. Crawford isn't a Hall of Famer.

#2. It would NOT be the best win on Crawford's resume, Porter is. For now. "Best Win" is, to quote Uncle Roger: "Who'd you beat and who'd that guy beat?" Boots hasn't beaten anyone worth noting except Dulorme - who already lost to Crawford. Meanwhile, Porter has a who's-who of a resume, arguably the best in the business, certainly the best at 147 next to Spence or MAYBE Thurman.


The best analogy I can give you: Carlos 'Chema' Ocampo. Got brutally stopped by Spence, yet has gone on to stop every other fighter he's faced. Even still, I think he's a good fighter, but I'm not going to sit here and call him "elite". It's overrating. He hasn't fought anyone notable OTHER than Spence. No brownie points over here.

If Ocampo (who went to 154) and Boots ever did meet, I would lean towards Boots. Why? Because Ocampo is a master of body work, but leaves himself open upstairs.

With Crawford, it'd just a chess match at first, with Boots leaving his chin up in the air where Crawford would eventually catch him off a check hook, like he tried to do against Porter, but Porter is too experienced to have fallen for it early. Boots doesn't that have experience. He's never fought a guy who can sneak that hook in on the chin, and he's apparently never been taught to keep his chin protected. Thus, Crawford stops him inside 9.

That's not an indictment on Boots, it's calling the flaws like I see them.

Again...I look for flaws. Not flash.

[Madison Boxing]

this guys been on fringe world level and hyped up for as long as i can remember. hes going to be another one of these hyped up undefeated american fighters who doesnt ever fight anyone worth a damn or until they are in mid 30s. you just know he is going to wait around fighting bums until spence/crawford are out of the equation. maybe he will get into a 'twitter war' with ryan garcia at some point

[IronDanHamza]

this guys been on fringe world level and hyped up for as long as i can remember. hes going to be another one of these hyped up undefeated american fighters who doesnt ever fight anyone worth a damn or until they are in mid 30s. you just know he is going to wait around fighting bums until spence/crawford are out of the equation. maybe he will get into a 'twitter war' with ryan garcia at some point

Sounds like what Conor Benn is doing.

[Topdogggbm]

Tyson was not an elite fighter. He himself says so. He had the advantage of fighting guys at the right time plus Cus d'Amato when he was around to keep him in check. Mike Tyson had one real signature (i.e. in their prime, no losses, top of the game, champ, etc.) win - Michael Spinks.

But remember: at that time, EVERY fighter thought Spinks was so damn good that he would have a chance against Tyson. I believe to this day Spinks COULD have beaten Tyson, but Spinks was mentally defeated the moment he signed that contract, as was everyone else before Buster Douglas. If you're not mentally in it, you're not going to win regardless of how good you are.

Yet, this is a guy (Tyson) that went 12 with Mitch 'Blood' Green, a drug dealing gang****er fresh off the streets with barely no training, and couldn't even drop him. Why? Because Green convinced himself (delusional though he was) that he could beat Tyson.

Crawford hasn't been proven to be elite yet. He might be - but not when you're getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by Kavaliauskas. The fight against Spence will answer that question. Spence is closer to elite than Crawford, but Spence got two-pieced, wobbled and (should have been) dropped by Ugas. So they need to fight so we can answer it.

Blair 'The Flair' Cobbs looked elite, until he met Rocha.
Bully Bektemir looked elite, until he met Rosado.
Felix Verdejo looked elite, until he met Lozado Jr.
Peter Quillin looked elite, until he met Jacobs.


"At The End Of The Day", it doesn't matter if you "look" elite. We need it proven against quality opposition. Boots hasn't had that yet. SO until we see it, he's overrated, and guys that HAVE been at least partially tested (Crawford) are expected to make easy work of him. Until proven otherwise.



#1. Crawford isn't a Hall of Famer.

#2. It would NOT be the best win on Crawford's resume, Porter is. For now. "Best Win" is, to quote Uncle Roger: "Who'd you beat and who'd that guy beat?" Boots hasn't beaten anyone worth noting except Dulorme - who already lost to Crawford. Meanwhile, Porter has a who's-who of a resume, arguably the best in the business, certainly the best at 147 next to Spence or MAYBE Thurman.


The best analogy I can give you: Carlos 'Chema' Ocampo. Got brutally stopped by Spence, yet has gone on to stop every other fighter he's faced. Even still, I think he's a good fighter, but I'm not going to sit here and call him "elite". It's overrating. He hasn't fought anyone notable OTHER than Spence. No brownie points over here.

If Ocampo (who went to 154) and Boots ever did meet, I would lean towards Boots. Why? Because Ocampo is a master of body work, but leaves himself open upstairs.

With Crawford, it'd just a chess match at first, with Boots leaving his chin up in the air where Crawford would eventually catch him off a check hook, like he tried to do against Porter, but Porter is too experienced to have fallen for it early. Boots doesn't that have experience. He's never fought a guy who can sneak that hook in on the chin, and he's apparently never been taught to keep his chin protected. Thus, Crawford stops him inside 9.

That's not an indictment on Boots, it's calling the flaws like I see them.

Again...I look for flaws. Not flash.

I'm not a Crawford fan at all. But if you don't think Crawford will be in the hall of fame, I need to stop discussing this with you. He's a lock. Easily. And again, I'm not a fan of his.

Of the fighters you mentioned "until they met....", I don't remember any of them looking elite. Or being projected to be elite. I do remember Verdejo was highly touted, but nowhere in the realm of what we're talking about with Boots.

And let's say Crawford knocks out Boots in 9, YOUR example. I bet that Boots is winning on the cards if that were to happen (which I don't think it would. Just riding your prediction). So point is, I still think it would be looked at as Crawfords biggest test/win. Porter is a flying headbutt with arms. No boxing ability. Just great toughness. Never won any of his big fights except for Garcia. And we could argue he lost that. If you put boots in with Crawford, Spence, and Thurman and he lost them all, he'd have the same exact type of resume as Porter. Beat everybody they were supposed to, but lost to every steep challenge. But you give Porter credit and not Boots?

I'm not sure how someone can look at Boots fight, and just think..... eh, he's average. He don't look bad against anybody! I understand we can't jump the gun on every fighter with a 0 in the loss column. And I don't. But there's nothing wrong with getting excited about seeing a special talent. And he's CLEARLY got that. Do I think he's going to walk thru every Welterweight in the world? I don't know. But if he is a fighter that can beat every WW and maybe only loses to one of Crawford and Spence (while beating the other), that's a great fighter. How can we deny that if he could accomplish something like that? I play the wait and see game with hope. Rather than just shytting on a guy that hasn't got his chance yet.

[Brittney1229]

He is scary from the bottom looking up not the top looking down, Boots is showing great potential but hasn't fought anyone worth a fck, he should be blowing average comp away as that is what the top liners all do when they start out in their career then all of sudden as the class gets near the top the blowouts stop coming, its the natural progression of becoming a world champion of the highest level.

I guess we'll see. Both Spense and Bud are impressed with him. Would have loved to see what he could have done with DSG.

[Carpe Diem]

He ain’t ready for Terence “TBE” Crawford

[Combat Talk Radio]

I'm not a Crawford fan at all. But if you don't think Crawford will be in the hall of fame, I need to stop discussing this with you. He's a lock. Easily. And again, I'm not a fan of his.

Of the fighters you mentioned "until they met....", I don't remember any of them looking elite. Or being projected to be elite. I do remember Verdejo was highly touted, but nowhere in the realm of what we're talking about with Boots.

And let's say Crawford knocks out Boots in 9, YOUR example. I bet that Boots is winning on the cards if that were to happen (which I don't think it would. Just riding your prediction). So point is, I still think it would be looked at as Crawfords biggest test/win. Porter is a flying headbutt with arms. No boxing ability. Just great toughness. Never won any of his big fights except for Garcia. And we could argue he lost that. If you put boots in with Crawford, Spence, and Thurman and he lost them all, he'd have the same exact type of resume as Porter. Beat everybody they were supposed to, but lost to every steep challenge. But you give Porter credit and not Boots?

I'm not sure how someone can look at Boots fight, and just think..... eh, he's average. He don't look bad against anybody! I understand we can't jump the gun on every fighter with a 0 in the loss column. And I don't. But there's nothing wrong with getting excited about seeing a special talent. And he's CLEARLY got that. Do I think he's going to walk thru every Welterweight in the world? I don't know. But if he is a fighter that can beat every WW and maybe only loses to one of Crawford and Spence (while beating the other), that's a great fighter. How can we deny that if he could accomplish something like that? I play the wait and see game with hope. Rather than just shytting on a guy that hasn't got his chance yet.

Porter is tested.

Boots is not.

IN YOUR OPINION, you think he's elite. Great.

I wait for fighters to be tested.

[Topdogggbm]

Porter is tested.

Boots is not.

IN YOUR OPINION, you think he's elite. Great.

I wait for fighters to be tested.

After all that back and forth, regardless of difference of opinions, I would like to say...... great debate! It's not often on this site that a discussion goes this long without name calling and other degrading things get thrown around. Well done sir

[Mr.NiceGuy]

This is what I wanted to hear. Crawford does kinda evade it a bit by saying he doesn't know if Ennis can beat the elite of the division.

There's not much of the elite, there's Crawford and Spence. I don't know if he beats them, but going by the eyeball test, yes, I think he's a bit too much for Spence and Bud.

Crawford did not evade, he was being truthful, he doesn't know and who does until he gets in the ring with one of these guys, what you think is just an opinion just like mine which is I think Boots should fight a couple of 2nd tiers like Garcia, Ugas or Thurman to get a better gauge, better still Porter if he wasn't retired, if he gets thru a couple of those guys then tell me he's too much for Spence or Bud

[Fist_ti_cuffs]

Brah, Pacman's been KTFO from Marquez, lost a boring UD to his "rival" in Mayweather and I haven't gone no where. The fact that you had to bring that up shows this comment obviously bothered you. Well then, where Crawford at? At Crawford's age, Pacman was still blitzing the best fighters in the division yearly.

What's that? CRICKETS.

Huh...I'm a TBE fan so nothing you could ever say could ruffle my feathers. Accept that Ugas ass whooping and move on with your life. At least lil Manny can always say he was 2nd best to Floyd, who's TBE.