How can people say Canelo wasn’t prime at 23 with 43 pro fights..........

[Kzbox]

His haters don’t want to acknowledge weights. Floyd has Duran #2 GOAT With the insinuation and foreshadowing that Floyd himself didn’t dare above 154.

At the end of the day that’s on Canelo if he felt the weight was an issue or he was too “rookie” he shouldn’t of taken the fight but he did and lost fair and square.

[Thuglife Nelo]

At the end of the day that’s on Canelo if he felt the weight was an issue or he was too “rookie” he shouldn’t of taken the fight but he did and lost fair and square.

Canelo haters like to spin things. Canelo lost. It was 152 anyways. The curiosity is why Floyd didn’t attempt the Middleweight title with anybody.

[-Kev-]

Canelo didn’t have a good amateur career like most top fighters. His “training” or basically his amateur career was in his pro career. He was 44-2 in the am’s. He did not have the luxury of being in 100-400 amateur fights. So he likely was still green in the pros at his 43rd pro bout.

With that said, Canelo showed that stylistically, he can never beat Floyd. 36 year old Floyd would beat Canelo at every age or any stage of Canelo’s career. Green, prime, washed up. Doesn’t matter, Canelo will always fight with the wrong style vs Mayweather. He will always try to box, counterpunch, and chase Floyd around instead of cutting off the ring.

In order to beat Mayweather, you need volume, swarming, fight inside, smother, don’t fall into a chess match with him. Canelo will always try to play chess with Floyd. There are lesser fighters than Canelo who would give Floyd a tougher fight. Canelo had his chance vs a 36 year old, past his best, above his optimal weight class, and close to retirement Mayweather. He had his chance to force Floyd into passing him the torch. But he wanted to play chess/patient and lost.

[nubianpiye]

Canelo lost to Flyd because he tried to outbox him if he tried to outbox him today he'd also lose. Never saw Floyd outboxed.

[BodyBagz]

Well this is easy to answer. It’s easier to gain weight in boxing than to go southbound. I’d say best version of Floyd was Judah-Baldomir-DLH. A nice 3 fight back to back adversity. Baldomir moreso because it was probably a 20lbs variance at minimum. Floyd was 30 I believe at that time too. If Duran and other contemporaries of his time went up to 168 then I see no reason to not believe Floyd couldn’t make 160 at the very least. I’m even giving Floyd a chance at 155, but Floyd didn’t want it. I’m telling you guys, Floyd changed Marquez’a weight to 146 last minute…Floyd diehards say “he was out 2 years boo hoo”. FOH…

You got me debating between 2 of my fave dudes

What and how one guy does is not the same across the board.

Foreman came back after a long layoff.

That is not an every era situation.

Prime Nelo and Prime May would never fight.

One of them would have to have an advantage.

May moved up a lil, Nelo moved down a lil....I'm sure Nelo had weight on his side in the ring.

[Thuglife Nelo]

You got me debating between 2 of my fave dudes

What and how one guy does is not the same across the board.

Foreman came back after a long layoff.

That is not an every era situation.

Prime Nelo and Prime May would never fight.

One of them would have to have an advantage.

May moved up a lil, Nelo moved down a lil....I'm sure Nelo had weight on his side in the ring.

I just told you, Duran’s contemporaries went up to 168. If you want to research the ages of Hearns, SRL too, then you can. Point is Duran started at Floyd’s weight class. Lil PAC, took one for his soul, been KO’d various times in the process, still, kept on fighting going up regardless of catchweights. PAC did his dues and suffered because of it. Still, PAC is an ATG.

so given that Floyd COULD in that gaining weight is easier and the examples such as Duran, I’m telling you, Canelo would still be surrendering to Floyd’s 155 for the Middleweigth title but he didn’t want it because he was a privileged puss-e influenced by Haymon to simply focus on A side earnings.

if Duran fought Barkley, real life occurrences, and Floyd changing 144 to 146 for Marquez is just sad… or as I say again, fight Canelo at 152 but not stipulate 155 for Canelo’s Middleweight title? Floyd fans try every excuse to go over all these circumstances.

[BodyBagz]

I just told you, Duran’s contemporaries went up to 168.

Hagler didn't budge an ounce
Neither do 99.99999 HWs

[pasawayako]

floyd fought a zombie, weight drained, green and no clenbuterol canelo while floyd has his IV, referee and judges.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Hagler didn't budge an ounce
Neither do 99.99999 HWs

We are contextualizing multi weight champions in Canelo and Floyd. GGG didn’t move an ounce except for Rolls. I only say that because they were Middleweights. Btw, even in post Hagler’s era the Super Middleweight division had happened. The fact that his nemesis in SRL actually “initiated” that class means, IMO, that SRL is by far the better fighter than Hagler. I don’t buy into the whole “best Middleweight” stuff. Hard to believe both Duran and SRL went past 12 with Hagler. Hagler is an OG, badass come forward fighter the way Canelo is doing today, but we shouldn’t even be citing Marvin

[BodyBagz]

Older, naturally smaller man with brittle hands....maybe add a blindfold ?