MMA fighters can't fight and that sport won't last much longer.

[KingGilgamesh]

The UFC has platued and is not growing any more the UFC owner had started zuffa boxing because he knows that is where the real money is. His marketing campaign that UFC is taking over boxing is dead it died when he started declaring he was moving across to the sport of boxing from the joke that is human tough man contests the man that is being hyped as some monster is 6'4 and would get smashed by a number of top heavyweight boxers in boxing or in that Street fighting none sport you love. He wouldn't last a minute against 6'9 fury or 6'7 wilder or 6'6.5 Joshua or 6'4.5 Whyte. Comparing a story like boxing with huge global reach to a non sport piece of **** like MMA is a joke

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Those heights you listed are bull****. Whyte isn't anything close to 6'4, he's 6'2 at best and thats pushing it. Fury is 6'7 and Joshua is 6'5. Their reach is a dead giveaway. Ngannou is actually bigger than all of them in terms of sheer muscle mass and size. I also believe he absolutely annihilates Whyte in any kind of fight.

God, why are UK boxing fans almost always delusional idiots? I'll agree with UFC having plateued. Thats about it.

[nubianpiye]

looooool

Those heights you listed are bull****. Whyte isn't anything close to 6'4, he's 6'2 at best and thats pushing it. Fury is 6'7 and Joshua is 6'5. Their reach is a dead giveaway. Ngannou is actually bigger than all of them in terms of sheer muscle mass and size. I also believe he absolutely annihilates Whyte in any kind of fight.

God, why are UK boxing fans almost always delusional idiots? I'll agree with UFC having plateued. Thats about it.

You talk **** the heights are clearly available on the net anywhere it's just because you say different that doesn't mean **** tbh. Whyte destroys him in MMA or boxing.

[nubianpiye]

looooool

Those heights you listed are bull****. Whyte isn't anything close to 6'4, he's 6'2 at best and thats pushing it. Fury is 6'7 and Joshua is 6'5. Their reach is a dead giveaway. Ngannou is actually bigger than all of them in terms of sheer muscle mass and size. I also believe he absolutely annihilates Whyte in any kind of fight.

God, why are UK boxing fans almost always delusional idiots? I'll agree with UFC having plateued. Thats about it.

Hopefully that whyte ngan whatever the **** his name is fight gets signed soon in a boxing match we'll see again just how **** them mma guys are

[TMLT87]

we are talking about total number of eyes watching the sporting event and it's almost always dramatically more people watching the boxing events that is the point 26 million homes watching canelo fight some no name in mexico andn how many people in each of those homes? you are looking at a minimum of 50 million people the numbers are dramatically more than those MMA manages.

Once again you're clinging to stories of big tv viewing figures in none English speaking underdeveloped countries that cant really be proven or disproven because the actual easily trackable stuff is all against your argument. The numbers I provide in comparison are a lot more solid and non speculative. PPV buys make sense because its the amount of people that have actually paid specifically to watch a fight, social media and YT numbers make sense because they are widely accessible internationally used free websites with proper trackable public numbers.."50 million Mexicans watched Canelo" (thats like a third of the population btw) is much more speculative and even if its true , if he isnt doing as many viewers as Conor outside of his home country and cant get more people to pay to watch him fight, he isnt as big a global star or draw, simple.

Wrong this was before DAZN rolled out globally these are just US numbers not sure why you attempted to assumenthe worst? they ahve not yet started to release Global numbers but all of Canelo's fights have been surpassing 1 million views on PPV

Okay, this is still not all that impressive, especially in the context of comparing him to Conor who just got 1.6m to watch him on ****ing pay per view not a cheap streaming service.

In fact, the numbers have been declining dramatically for a while

And your evidence for this is a post on Sherdogs forums and 3 opinion pieces, two of them from 2014 when the UFC was having its worst year of the entire decade for PPV numbers. Their strongest EVER year for PPV numbers came after that.

They are about to wrap up what is probably their strongest opening quarter to a year for PPV buys too. So what decline?

We can search more UFC has been in a decline for a while and this is something that MMA fans as a whole have been discussing global viewership numbers for boxing if anything has increased dramatically and the opposite is clearly true for MMA.

Just because some drunk brawler or coked-up UFC star says boxing is in decline does not make it true the numbers show whilst boxing has declined slightly in the US it has grown dramatically globally.

You are not living in the real world with this ****. Since we are throwing out speculative viewing figures that cant really be confirmed or denied, I absolutely GUARANTEE you more people around the world watch the UFC on average than PBC, Matchroom, Top Rank etc. That Jake Paul card may well have been the first time this year that any boxing card got a larger global audience than the UFC. At least I have some shreds of evidence to back this claim up such as the UFC pulling much larger numbers on globally accessible platforms like YT and IG and forums, and though thats not fool proof its pretty much the best gauge we have, and when the pattern is consistently the same time and time again across all of them it indicates higher overall interest in the UFC. Plus the UFC tours the world extensively whereas boxing promotions are fairly domestic/regional.

[KingGilgamesh]

You talk **** the heights are clearly available on the net anywhere it's just because you say different that doesn't mean **** tbh. Whyte destroys him in MMA or boxing.

The heights are bull****, boxing inflates heights of fighters all the time this is well known. Do you people know anything about the sport you talk so much about? Jesus, you legit think boxers claimed fights are real? Even ****ing celebheights make that apparent.

And just LOL at Whyte being able to take on Ngannou in MMA, he's junk in boxing let alone in MMA. You people legit think because he has one MMA fight a decade ago against some no name bum he would be competitive. Whyte looks awful. How can anyone claim to be a boxing fan and earmark him as anything resembling a skilled boxer.

[ShoulderRoll]

Once again you're clinging to stories of big tv viewing figures in none English speaking underdeveloped countries that cant really be proven or disproven because the actual easily trackable stuff is all against your argument. The numbers I provide in comparison are a lot more solid and non speculative. PPV buys make sense because its the amount of people that have actually paid specifically to watch a fight, social media and YT numbers make sense because they are widely accessible internationally used free websites with proper trackable public numbers.."50 million Mexicans watched Canelo" (thats like a third of the population btw) is much more speculative and even if its true , if he isnt doing as many viewers as Conor outside of his home country and cant get more people to pay to watch him fight, he isnt as big a global star or draw, simple.




Okay, this is still not all that impressive, especially in the context of comparing him to Conor who just got 1.6m to watch him on ****ing pay per view not a cheap streaming service.



And your evidence for this is a post on Sherdogs forums and 3 opinion pieces, two of them from 2014 when the UFC was having its worst year of the entire decade for PPV numbers. Their strongest EVER year for PPV numbers came after that.

They are about to wrap up what is probably their strongest opening quarter to a year for PPV buys too. So what decline?




You are not living in the real world with this ****. Since we are throwing out speculative viewing figures that cant really be confirmed or denied, I absolutely GUARANTEE you more people around the world watch the UFC on average than PBC, Matchroom, Top Rank etc. That Jake Paul card may well have been the first time this year that any boxing card got a larger global audience than the UFC. At least I have some shreds of evidence to back this claim up such as the UFC pulling much larger numbers on globally accessible platforms like YT and IG and forums, and though thats not fool proof its pretty much the best gauge we have, and when the pattern is consistently the same time and time again across all of them it indicates higher overall interest in the UFC. Plus the UFC tours the world extensively whereas boxing promotions are fairly domestic/regional.

A guy from a non-English speaking, underdeveloped country keeps whipping every first world English-speaking boxer the UK sends against him.

So maybe you shouldn't have such a condescending tone.

[TMLT87]

A guy from a non-English speaking, underdeveloped country keeps whipping every first world English-speaking boxer the UK sends against him.

And this is relevant to the discussion how?

[nubianpiye]

Once again you're clinging to stories of big tv viewing figures in none English speaking underdeveloped countries that cant really be proven or disproven because the actual easily trackable stuff is all against your argument. The numbers I provide in comparison are a lot more solid and non speculative. PPV buys make sense because its the amount of people that have actually paid specifically to watch a fight, social media and YT numbers make sense because they are widely accessible internationally used free websites with proper trackable public numbers.."50 million Mexicans watched Canelo" (thats like a third of the population btw) is much more speculative and even if its true , if he isnt doing as many viewers as Conor outside of his home country and cant get more people to pay to watch him fight, he isnt as big a global star or draw, simple.

You have lost the debate now, so you completely dismiss the majority of the world, You dismiss Germany (First world) The UK (First world) Mexico, The Philippines, China (First world) because they don't agree with your narrative?

Just admit that you are a xenophobe and a racist why else would you dismiss these nations? What their eyes don't count? you said speculative despite the fact that I posted links and you have yet to post one link to back up your arguments everything I have posted is evidenced and if anything this shows a huge resurgence in boxing globally with it surpassing numbers from its heydey in many regions.


You have stuck to your opinion no links no evidence to support your nonsensical claims and dismissed entire nations of people because they aren't white and wealthy? You are a redneck bigot just like the rest of the UFC core fanbase.

But I'm the one not living in the real world show me the fantastic numbers UFc is doing globally since it's so easy to do these numbers.

[nubianpiye]

2020 Article on the ongoing decline of UFC really good read

Star fighters generate headlines, drum up interest, and suck in fans. People want to see winners who are exceptional at what they do, and the UFC is sorely lacking in this area. .

This is a huge problem! Remember, champions Anderson Silva and Georges St-Pierre were instrumental in generating growth for the UFC in the early 2000s while Ken Shamrock and Brock Lesnar were huge stars who ****** in fans with them.

The excitement is fun in the short term, but the pure unpredictability hurts long term growth as people don’t have stars to associate with the brand.

[TMLT87]

You have lost the debate now, so you completely dismiss the majority of the world, You dismiss Germany (First world) The UK (First world) Mexico, The Philippines, China (First world) because they don't agree with your narrative?

Just admit that you are a xenophobe and a racist why else would you dismiss these nations? What their eyes don't count? you said speculative despite the fact that I posted links and you have yet to post one link to back up your arguments everything I have posted is evidenced and if anything this shows a huge resurgence in boxing globally with it surpassing numbers from its heydey in many regions.


You have stuck to your opinion no links no evidence to support your nonsensical claims and dismissed entire nations of people because they aren't white and wealthy? You are a redneck bigot just like the rest of the UFC core fanbase.

But I'm the one not living in the real world show me the fantastic numbers UFc is doing globally since it's so easy to do these numbers.

Lol Jesus. I have given you endless numbers over and over. Ive given you PPV, social media, Youtube views etc and you respond with fantastical anecdotes about how many people in outer Mongolia allegedly watched some guy that nobody has ever heard of. Its got **** all to do with racism, its to do with the fact that its borderline impossible to actually confirm or deny those kinds of numbers. Nobody is going to be able to look up viewing figures in every ****ing country and even if you could nobody knows who was actually watching intentionally and who left their ****ing tv on in the background. This is precisely why you cling to something so ****ing intangible, it allows you to keep living in fantasy land when all the hard easily accessible numbers contradict your argument.

Just imagine for a second that all these numbers were in favour of boxing - if boxing did like double or more the PPV buys of the UFC basically every year, if it got way more views on Youtube, if boxing stars had massively larger social media followings on average, if EA was making Fight Night games and there were no UFC games, if the UFCs biggest PPVs of the year were Youtubers vs retired boxers etc. Then I dismissed all that and started claiming MMA is actually bigger anyway because a billion people allegedly watched some MMA fighter you've never heard of in China. Thats what you're doing, pure denial.

I mean, is there any explanation beyond it being by far the largest combat sports promotion in the world why the UFC has over 3x as many Youtube subscribers and over 5x as many IG followers as PBC, Top Rank, Matchroom, Goldenboy and DAZN boxing combined? and thats just their English language channel, they also have UFC Russia, UFC Brasil, UFC Espanol and probably others.

Heres some recent YT view counts (within the last 24 hrs for those who have uploaded something in that time or within the last week if not)

UFCs main channel: Within the last 24 hours they've got 639k views for a countdown show for this weekends card, 145k for the best of Rose Namajunas, 46k for some talk show about the event.
UFC Russia: 75k views for Russian language version of that countdown show in the last 24 hrs.
UFC Espanol: 48k views for Spanish language countdown in the last 24 hrs.


ESPN MMA has 200k within the last 24 hours for DC and Helwani.

Heres boxing....

Top Rank: 10k for a free Navarette fight
Golden Boy: most viewed vid in the last month got 37k
PBC: most viewed vid this week got 47k.
Matchroom: the most watched vid in the last 24 hours got 1.8k
DAZN - most viewed vid this week has 178k views.


Its not even just the UFC either, heres the same for some other MMA promotions.

ONE FC - Most watched vid in the last 24 hours has 56k views.
Bellator - Most watched vid of the week 291k.
Rizin - most watched vid of the week 107k.
KSW - most watched vid of the week 28k

BT Sport (a UK channel) has a UFC countdown uploaded a day ago at 69k views.

So again, can you explain these numbers? like are most boxing fans so old that they cant use a computer? and if that was the case wouldnt it mean that boxing has less of a future than the sport youre claiming wont last? does that also explain the social media following differences and why MMA websites get way more traffic too? I'd say a reasonable, non-biased person would simply conclude that the reason the UFC (and their fighters) is getting far more views, follows etc so consistently on all these different globally accessible platforms.....is that its the biggest combat sports promotion and more people pay attention to it globally than any others. Crazy thought I know.