Shane Mosley: "I Will Fight Pacquiao Below 147-Pounds"

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I agree Morales was on the downslide of his career. It was his own doing to try his hand at 135. But that doesn't mean that Pacquiao couldn't have fought him at Lightweight instead of making him come back down to 130. Of course, some of the blame needs to go on these guys for caving in to Pacquiao's demands, but the criticism of Pacquiao not fighting some of the guys that he's beat at their best weight is warranted. I'm not saying Morales would have beaten Manny at a higher weight in the second and third fights, but he would have probably made the fights more competitive.

I wonder how much of a difference would it have made had the two Pacquiao fights been at Lightweight if Morales was beaten by both David Diaz and Raheem at that weight. Are we to assume that Diaz is a better fighter than Pacquiao at Lightweight? If so, how does one account for the result of their meeting? Did Diaz become too old after fighting Morales?

I somehow pity Pacquiao. Going up against Barrera for the first time, he was not given a Chinaman's chance (Pacquiao who?). After he beat Barrera, he was someone who beat a great who was past his prime. That, notwithstanding the fact that the same Barrera beat Morales a year after losing to Pacquiao.

Facing the much bigger Oscar De La Hoya, 99% of all those who had an opinion said Pacquiao has finally bitten more than he can chew. No way was he to win. After he dominated Oscar, he was no more than someone who beat a weight-drained and old fighter.

After he beat David Diaz, people said Diaz was the most inferior of the Lightweight champions of that time, overlooking the fact that it was the very same David Diaz who beat Morales who did not have weight problems when they fought at Lightweight.

And, then of course, there are those two Morales wins where weight was made the principal issue, regardless of a few facts:

1. Morales' win over Pacquiao were in the same weight category (130 lbs) as his two subsequent losses. The time that separated the first and the second encounters was a period of 9 months. Midway through that period, Morales gained 4 pounds only to lose to Raheem.

2. Morales lost twice at the higher weight before and after his two losses to Pacquiao. (It was reported that Morales' management frantically contacted Pacquiao's camp after that Raheem loss to insure that the second meeting will push through).

3. The first fight was by no means an all-Morales show although he clearly won. Morales was even rocked in one of the late rounds. The scores were all 115-113 which I think is just about right. Scores like these do not dispel any Pacquiao victory in subsequent fights; they only help breed speculations that the result can be reversed. And, it was.

I dunno...I just pity Pacquiao...

[AFTER HOURS]

mosley should fight cotto instead

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I wonder how much of a difference would it have made had the two Pacquiao fights been at Lightweight if Morales was beaten by both David Diaz and Raheem at that weight. Are we to assume that Diaz is a better fighter than Pacquiao at Lightweight? If so, how does one account for the result of their meeting? Did Diaz become too old after fighting Morales?

I somehow pity Pacquiao. Going up against Barrera for the first time, he was not given a Chinaman's chance (Pacquiao who?). After he beat Barrera, he was someone who beat a great who was past his prime. That, notwithstanding the fact that the same Barrera beat Morales a year after losing to Pacquiao.

Facing the much bigger Oscar De La Hoya, 99% of all those who had an opinion said Pacquiao has finally bitten more than he can chew. No way was he to win. After he dominated Oscar, he was no more than someone who beat a weight-drained and old fighter.

After he beat David Diaz, people said Diaz was the most inferior of the Lightweight champions of that time, overlooking the fact that it was the very same David Diaz who beat Morales who did not have weight problems when they fought at Lightweight.

And, then of course, there are those two Morales wins where weight was made the principal issue, regardless of a few facts:

1. Morales' win over Pacquiao were in the same weight category (130 lbs) as his two subsequent losses. The time that separated the first and the second encounters was a period of 9 months. Midway through that period, Morales gained 4 pounds only to lose to Raheem.

2. Morales lost twice at the higher weight before and after his two losses to Pacquiao. (It was reported that Morales' management frantically contacted Pacquiao's camp after that Raheem loss to insure that the second meeting will push through).

3. The first fight was by no means an all-Morales show although he clearly won. Morales was even rocked in one of the late rounds. The scores were all 115-113 which I think is just about right. Scores like these do not dispel any Pacquiao victory in subsequent fights; they only help breed speculations that the result can be reversed. And, it was.

I dunno...I just pity Pacquiao...

I like Pacquiao a lot. He's one my my favorite fighters. But that doesn't mean that I don't call foul when I see it. Everyone knows that Morales was robbed in his fight against Diaz. That's why everybody knew Diaz was the weakest champ at 135. And Pacquiao fought him for less money than what he would have gotten in a rubber match against JMM. Now the decision in his second fight with Marquez was fair because Manny did more damage, and that was a good win for Pacquiao, even though I scored it for Marquez by a slight margin the first time I watched it. But if JMM beats Floyd he will have out done Pacquiao since their second fight big time even if his victories are more low key based on name recognition. And even though JMM is being counted out, there is a real possibility he may beat Floyd.

[BROOKLYN CESAR]

But I won't fight Williams at 147

Shane would kill williams!!! Shane should wait awhile i think pacman will move again to break gayla hoyas record!!!

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I like Pacquiao a lot. He's one my my favorite fighters. But that doesn't mean that I don't call foul when I see it. Everyone knows that Morales was robbed in his fight against Diaz. That's why everybody knew Diaz was the weakest champ at 135. And Pacquiao fought him for less money than what he would have gotten in a rubber match against JMM. Now the decision in his second fight with Marquez was fair because Manny did more damage, and that was a good win for Pacquiao, even though I scored it for Marquez by a slight margin the first time I watched it. But if JMM beats Floyd he will have out done Pacquiao since their second fight big time even if his victories are more low key based on name recognition. And even though JMM is being counted out, there is a real possibility he may beat Floyd.

The fact that, as you say, Morales was robbed, tells me that--whether it was truly a robbery or not-- his performance allowed the theft. In contrast, Pacquiao's performance against the very same opponent precluded any such theft.

Moreover, I cannot see how Pacquiao fighting Diaz for less money is worse than Morales losing (even if robbed) to Diaz for money that's even much less, and how it can be factored to a conversation that deals with weights, i.e., Morales' weight issues in his last two fights against Pacquiao as the principal cause of his defeats.

The fights between Morales and Diaz and Pacquiao and Diaz (along with Morales' loss to Raheem) were pointed out by me as facts that seem to question the validity of the arguments that Morales' weight problems were the principal cause of his two losses to Pacquiao and/or the claim that Morales could have won were the last two fights at Lightweight. These were not mentioned as facts that argue for or against the propriety of Pacquiao fighting Diaz instead of Marquez. After all, Morales never fought Marquez. Not even once.

As for Pacquiao's fights against Marquez, I look at them as a set of evidence that proves Marquez's greatness (which is, sadly, not given the wider recognition it richly deserves) and not ones that diminish Pacquiao's.

Regardless of what the result of the forthcoming fight between JMM and Mayweather may be, I think, JMM will richly benefit from it. I am confident that he will perform well. It is seldom that he doesn't (I cannot quickly remember the last time he turned in something sub-par).

Marquez knows that he needs to rachet it up even more for this one.

The more fascinating aspect of this upcoming duel is that the burden to do something spectacular lies not only on one pair of shoulders. It lies on the shoulders of both. With that burden, I can't guess what would happen even though every time I look, Mayweather has the edge in heft and an even greater edge in defensive talent. Those two advantages may or may not become factors in the game.

I have seen Marquez pick himself up from falls which to me are strong indications of his mental toughness. That and his talent for making foes pay may go a long way...

I too am a Pacquiao fan as much as I am a fan of Mayweather, Marquez, etc. Morales and Barrera had given me lots of great memories as had Mike, Leonard, Ali, Foreman, Norton, Shavers, Holmes, Duran, Benitez, Limon and Chacon (or vice versa), Sanchez, Chavez, Nelson, Arguello, La Porte, Danny Lopez, Mancini, Mosley, Oscar, Sweet Pea...

The list seems endless as I have been a fan of the sport for some 5 decades now. Through all those years I've learned little, but among the few I have learned are that the fight game springs surprises when one least expects and that I should never take anything at face value.

[Spacey1991]

I can't see Mosley being healthy at a catch weight with Pacquiao...

[jetgeomcx]

that's just the name of the game, the fad...all roads lead to pacman, the man!!
today the money is with manny!!
moneymay got no money today, shane-miguel will go down in weight, marquez, guzman, valero, nate's gonna go up in weight to face $manny$.
everybody takes the risk, takes the chance.
whta the hell, what the ****, the $money$ is with pac.

floyd's gonna duck, forget him he's a duck, we don't give a **** coz floyd really sucks!!

still, at the end of the day, manny-may it will be november it's gonna be!!

[REMOVED SHARK 97]

146 & 1/2..

[jetgeomcx]

damn mosley is begging for a payday

....and so is "nomoneymay" your hero!!
why do you think lilfraud unretired??
it's all but money,...with super-mega-manny!!

[jetgeomcx]

I don't think you can say welterweight title and catch weight in the same sentence. If you want to say P4P ok, but if it's for the welterweight title then it must be at 147 limit!!

the welterweight division is not solely in 147....
be informed that WW is 141-147 lbs!!