Mayweather’s Hit List Includes Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto

[Jc8804]

Shane -old ,way past it

Cotto-old, past it

Marquez- old , small, past it

Floyds resume is filled with old has beens
Small fighters coming up and overated fighters like ghost.

Ill give him the castillo and maidana rematches. He did good work in those fights. But they both beat him fair and square in the first fights. To his credit he rematched them.

[LacedUp]

But why didn't they happen "when they should have"?

The fact is that ODH, Shane, Cotto and Manny all had ample chance to fight Floyd when they were fresher but chose not to.

Respectfully, I get that these men would've been "fresher" but Floyd would be younger, faster and fresher as well.

As i said, who's fault it was it always debatable in boxing. The fact is still they didn't happen when they should have.

Pacquiao is especially true here, and we don't need to go into why because that's a never ending discussion.

When Cotto, Pacquiao etc came through, Mayweather chose retirement - That's just a fact. He didn't fight them when they were at their best and I don't remember Mayweather offering Cotto a fight pre retirement in 2007? When Cotto was a fighter of the year contender and unbeaten.

Leonard Ellerbe said Cotto wasn't a name after the Mosley fight. That doesn't sound like an offer to me.

And Mayweather was talking more about retirement in those years than anything else.

[LacedUp]

Shane -old ,way past it

Cotto-old, past it

Marquez- old , small, past it

Floyds resume is filled with old has beens
Small fighters coming up and overated fighters like ghost.

Ill give him the castillo and maidana rematches. He did good work in those fights. But they both beat him fair and square in the first fights. To his credit he rematched them.

Marquez was on the best streak of his career when Mayweather fought him.

[LacedUp]

This is the convenient truth that these idiots pretend to forget.

If he was in prime, the vanquished would have been beaten even more comprehensively.

lol. Hypotheticals are always good to play by.

no one is saying Mayweather was in his prime, but he was a helluva lot more fresh than war-torn guys like Pacquiao or Cotto. Saying anything else is completely dumb.

[The Big Dunn]

This is the convenient truth that these idiots pretend to forget.

If he was in prime, the vanquished would have been beaten even more comprehensively.

All I ask is we stop acting like when Floyd retired and some of these guys were on the come up, Floyd wasn't still regarded as the best in the world.

As i said, who's fault it was it always debatable in boxing. The fact is still they didn't happen when they should have.

Pacquiao is especially true here, and we don't need to go into why because that's a never ending discussion.

When Cotto, Pacquiao etc came through, Mayweather chose retirement - That's just a fact. He didn't fight them when they were at their best and I don't remember Mayweather offering Cotto a fight pre retirement in 2007? When Cotto was a fighter of the year contender and unbeaten.

Leonard Ellerbe said Cotto wasn't a name after the Mosley fight. That doesn't sound like an offer to me.

And Mayweather was talking more about retirement in those years than anything else.

If it were anyone else we'd accept the injury as the reason for the retirement.

I don't know that fault is debatable.

As we see with GGG, the same posters who would create these ******ed theories when Floyd was the subject make reasoned, logical assessments of what is going on.

I understand all these men would be better on paper but so would Floyd.

[LacedUp]

If it were anyone else we'd accept the injury as the reason for the retirement.

I don't know that fault is debatable.

As we see with GGG, the same posters who would create these ******ed theories when Floyd was the subject make reasoned, logical assessments of what is going on.

I understand all these men would be better on paper but so would Floyd.

Really? Because when Floyd went into retirement I distinctly remember him saying: "i feel good about leaving the sport as the face of boxing, healthy and rich" or something like that.

And where in this thread have I said that Floyd wouldn't win or wouldn't also be better?

I like discussing boxing with you, but you are doing what a lot of Mayweather fans are doing by jumping to conclusions instantly thinking that I'm saying that if Pacquiao was in his prime he'd definitely have beaten Mayweather or something.

I've never said that and never will. All I said is the fights didn't happen when they were supposed to and that's just the truth. Who's fault it is is definitely debatable as neither you or I were at the negotiating table if there ever was one.

[The Big Dunn]

Really? Because when Floyd went into retirement I distinctly remember him saying: "i feel good about leaving the sport as the face of boxing, healthy and rich" or something like that.

And where in this thread have I said that Floyd wouldn't win or wouldn't also be better?

I like discussing boxing with you, but you are doing what a lot of Mayweather fans are doing by jumping to conclusions instantly thinking that I'm saying that if Pacquiao was in his prime he'd definitely have beaten Mayweather or something.

I've never said that and never will. All I said is the fights didn't happen when they were supposed to and that's just the truth. Who's fault it is is definitely debatable as neither you or I were at the negotiating table if there ever was one.

I'm not jumping to any conclusion. I am saying that if we go back to when these guys were "fresher". so was Floyd.

My larger point-whenever fantasy fights with Floyd are discussed, NSB tends to elevate the talents and skills of every Floyd opponent(or over exaggerate how far from prime they were) while acting as if Floyd has been the same throughout his career.

As for them not happening when they should, who made the decision not to fight? It's disingenuous to act like Floyd post ODH could get fights the same way he could prior to this. ODH, shane and Kosta wanted no part of Floyd.

Yes, his retirement meant the Cotto fight couldn't happen between 2007 and 09 when Cotto was near the top of his game. From 2005-07 post Brussels, TR kept Cotto away from Floyd as they built him. We can't just act like this didn't happen. We can't pretend Manny turned the fight down over the testing.

All I am asking is that we not ignore what really happened.

[LacedUp]

I'm not jumping to any conclusion. I am saying that if we go back to when these guys were "fresher". so was Floyd.

My larger point-whenever fantasy fights with Floyd are discussed, NSB tends to elevate the talents and skills of every Floyd opponent(or over exaggerate how far from prime they were) while acting as if Floyd has been the same throughout his career.

As for them not happening when they should, who made the decision not to fight? It's disingenuous to act like Floyd post ODH could get fights the same way he could prior to this. ODH, shane and Kosta wanted no part of Floyd.

Yes, his retirement meant the Cotto fight couldn't happen between 2007 and 09 when Cotto was near the top of his game. From 2005-07 post Brussels, TR kept Cotto away from Floyd as they built him. We can't just act like this didn't happen. We can't pretend Manny turned the fight down over the testing.

All I am asking is that we not ignore what really happened.

Top Rank wanted a Mayweather fight in 2007, they kept Cotto away or so it seemed in the 2005-2006 years. I don't know who made the decision not to fight and its not always as simple as that.

And Mayweather was more avoided when he didn't bring any money to the table than when he was the #1 guy. He was in the "who needs him" club prior to Oscar really. Too good and too little money. But after it made sense for everyone to fight him. I don't necessarily think either May or Pac were particularly keen on a fight anyway simply because of the 100s of millions they pulled out in the end.

Well the testing thing I mean, it's not like it was the only thing that ever happened in that soap opera.

[IMDAZED]

I'm not jumping to any conclusion. I am saying that if we go back to when these guys were "fresher". so was Floyd.

My larger point-whenever fantasy fights with Floyd are discussed, NSB tends to elevate the talents and skills of every Floyd opponent(or over exaggerate how far from prime they were) while acting as if Floyd has been the same throughout his career.

As for them not happening when they should, who made the decision not to fight? It's disingenuous to act like Floyd post ODH could get fights the same way he could prior to this. ODH, shane and Kosta wanted no part of Floyd.

Yes, his retirement meant the Cotto fight couldn't happen between 2007 and 09 when Cotto was near the top of his game. From 2005-07 post Brussels, TR kept Cotto away from Floyd as they built him. We can't just act like this didn't happen. We can't pretend Manny turned the fight down over the testing.

All I am asking is that we not ignore what really happened.

You're overlooking that Floyd wasn't on good terms with Top Rank then. In fact, they were in litigation. They just kept it (mostly) cordial in public until Mayweather returned in 2009 and the Pacquiao saga began. Those fights with Cotto, or any other TR boxer wasn't happening regardless once Mayweather skipped town in 2006.

[The Big Dunn]

Top Rank wanted a Mayweather fight in 2007, they kept Cotto away or so it seemed in the 2005-2006 years. I don't know who made the decision not to fight and its not always as simple as that.

And Mayweather was more avoided when he didn't bring any money to the table than when he was the #1 guy. He was in the "who needs him" club prior to Oscar really. Too good and too little money. But after it made sense for everyone to fight him. I don't necessarily think either May or Pac were particularly keen on a fight anyway simply because of the 100s of millions they pulled out in the end.

Well the testing thing I mean, it's not like it was the only thing that ever happened in that soap opera.

Look, I understand your points. all I am saying is we do not have to get wet to know its raining outside.

Prior to his performance on 24/7 that helped push sales of the ODH/Floyd fight, Floyd was the ultimate "high risk, no reward" guy. A lot of people wouldn't fight him, especially the guys on this list.

Now post 2007, after ODH and Hatton, everyone wanted to fight Floyd because he was the primary reason that fans purchased over 3 million PPV's. Now Cotto/TR are willing to fight because a loss comes with a huge payday that offsets the financial impact a loss could have.

Posters find fault with Floyd because he didn't take the equivalent of the boxing "high road" and do things differently because he used to be the guy who couldn't get fights.

I think that is unfair.