Who was the better fighter in your opinion Calzaghe or Tszyu

[Left Hook Tua]

I would disagree but hey it's all about opinions. At least your argument makes sense.

sometimes.

it's rare but it happens.

[Jone2ts]

kostya tszyu was a good fighter and I hated him but not as much as Joe....but he was a better fighter to me not cause of his record but more at the fact that he won on clean effective punching.

[Technical_Skill]

And where did I say it did?
For those who can only look at things in such simplistic ways, I'll clarify. One is capable of beating a world class opponent by changing their game plan and adjusting to the circumstances. One wasn't. In terms of other attributes, they stack up relatively well - depending on which part of their careers you look.

It depends who you adjust against, this is what you guys fail to understand, honestly, can you see the difference between one guy Adjusting against a Prime pound for pound fighter, and the other adjusting against a 43 year old hopkins or a 39 year old roy jones, or a Jeff Lacy or Tocker Pudwill etc.

That doesnt make you the better fighter.

Again, Mayweather has always adjusted to the circumstances and thus has always won, Ray Robinson hasnt always successfully adjusted because he has lost.

So that Makes Mayweather better than Ray Robinson then?

Or does it matter about the level of opposition you make the adjustments against?

[SHB]

Seeing as Hopkins was a top 5 P4P fighter at the time of his defeat (and indeed still is on many lists), and Calzaghe clearly had to adjust after Plan A turned out to be a crock of ****, does that not count?

As I have pointed out repeatedly, but you are either deliberately ignoring or too ****** to comprehend, unbeaten record is merely one indicator. Resume is merely one indicator - and quite why you have a quite unnatural obsession with one opponent called in at 24 hours notice instead of the decent enough Tom Tate (ironically a substitute who had previously taken Ottke 12 rounds) I can't even begin to fathom unless it's some sort of ****ty stick you just want to beat him with. Context is everything dear boy.

P4P to me is all about ability anyway, not about who you fought or who you beat or lost to. To me, Calzaghe is a slightly better boxer than Kostya. To some others its the other way around. Comparing one fighters worst opponent to anothe fighters best is really not a rational or relevant argument though.

[Adolf]

kostya tszyu was a good fighter and I hated himbut not as much as Joe....but he was a better fighter to me not cause of his record but more at the fact that he won on clean effective punching.

Why?

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[Technical_Skill]

One is capable of beating a world class opponent by changing their game plan and adjusting to the circumstances. One wasn't.

And Kosta Tzsyu made adjustments in knocking out a light welterweight champion in 2 rounds, who was arguably one of the most talented fighters in recent years and who went on to unify the welterweight division......in his prime. So you are wrong.

Seeing as Hopkins was a top 5 P4P fighter at the time of his defeat (and indeed still is on many lists), and Calzaghe clearly had to adjust after Plan A turned out to be a crock of ****, does that not count?

Hopkins was 43 years old, hardly his prime. See above for a fighter who beat a certified world class fighter in his prime.

[SHB]

And Kosta Tzsyu made adjustments in knocking out a light welterweight champion in 2 rounds, who was arguably one of the most talented fighters in recent years and who went on to unify the welterweight division......in his prime. So you are wrong.



Hopkins was 43 years old, hardly his prime. See above for a fighter who beat a certified world class fighter in his prime.

Adjustments in two rounds? Heh. Where was I wrong anyway?

Shame the Hopkins fight didn't happen 6 years earlier - when Hopkins agreed terms and then walked away. Would have been interesting. And when do you think was Hopkins' prime? When he was beating up welterweights or when he was shutting out the LHW king, a middleweight great and THE next big thing?

[Technical_Skill]

Adjustments in two rounds? Heh. Where was I wrong anyway?

Have you actually watched the fight? Judah nearly had him on the canvas in round 1. Judah was world class, Kosta cut off the ring more, jabbed to body and head, and used the pawing left to block judah's jab to set up the right hand. So Kostya made adjustments against a world class fighter in his prime. Thus, you are wrong, I dont want to have to make it any clearer for you, your'e a clever boy, read the above quote. Then again on second thoughts........

One is capable of beating a world class opponent by changing their game plan and adjusting to the circumstances. One wasn't.

Wrong.

Ps. Its a shame calzaghe didnt fight Glen Johnson in his prime, because they agreed to fight and Calzaghe pulled out twice didnt he?

[MickyHatton]

And Kosta Tzsyu made adjustments in knocking out a light welterweight champion in 2 rounds, who was arguably one of the most talented fighters in recent years and who went on to unify the welterweight division......in his prime. So you are wrong.



Hopkins was 43 years old, hardly his prime. See above for a fighter who beat a certified world class fighter in his prime.

Hopkins still managed to dole out a boxing lesson to Pavlik after he lost to Calzaghe, that would suggest that whether he was in his prime or not he was still a very good fighter. In fact it would suggest that he was still very much world class.

[Pullcounter]

Hopkins still managed to dole out a boxing lesson to Pavlik after he lost to Calzaghe, that would suggest that whether he was in his prime or not he was still a very good fighter. In fact it would suggest that he was still very much world class.

hopkins prime was when he fought tito.

pavlik lost because he is a basic 1-2 puncher and hopkins is just too crafty; it doesn't mean that hopkins was in his prime... styles make fights... same thing as for the tarver fight, although tarver also fails on his first tries... that dude is jsut inconsistent; but still a great win for hopkins.

prime for prime, hopkins beats up calzaghe... a combination punching hopkins w/ good stamina to go for 12 rounds beats calzaghe; although calzaghe's handspeed and activity and chin would definitely cause hopkins trouble.