Who was the better fighter in your opinion Calzaghe or Tszyu

[MickyHatton]

hopkins prime was when he fought tito.

pavlik lost because he is a basic 1-2 puncher and hopkins is just too crafty; it doesn't mean that hopkins was in his prime... styles make fights... same thing as for the tarver fight, although tarver also fails on his first tries... that dude is jsut inconsistent; but still a great win for hopkins.

prime for prime, hopkins beats up calzaghe... a combination punching hopkins w/ good stamina to go for 12 rounds beats calzaghe; although calzaghe's handspeed and activity and chin would definitely cause hopkins trouble.

Read my post again mate, where did I say Hopkins was in his prime???

I said that he was still obviously world class and a very good fighter simply by the fact that he beat the best supposedly out there extremely easily.

Obviously he was not in his prime but....

My point being that the Calzaghe detractors use the 'prime' line about Hopkins as if he was this old man who could no longer defend himself. He proved the opposite in his one sided win over Pavlik.

The only other conclusion is that Pavlik was overrated from the start but that's a different discussion.

[Pullcounter]

Read my post again mate, where did I say Hopkins was in his prime???

I said that he was still obviously world class and a very good fighter simply by the fact that he beat the best supposedly out there extremely easily.

Obviously he was not in his prime but....

My point being that the Calzaghe detractors use the 'prime' line about Hopkins as if he was this old man who could no longer defend himself. He proved the opposite in his one sided win over Pavlik.

well, hopkins wasn't helpless, but for a guy of calz's caliber anything less than a prime hopkins isn't going to beat calz.

The only other conclusion is that Pavlik was overrated from the start but that's a different discussion.

there are a couple other conclusions:

1) pavlik is only effective at 160 lbs
2) hopkins' style is all wrong for pavlik
3) pavlik doesn't have enough experience
etc...

[Michael Hall]

Mythically and hypothetically speaking, Calzaghe boxes circles around Tsyzu.

Calzaghe proved more in the sport of boxing than Zoo did. When it's all said and done, Tsyzu's biggest career win will likely be the 40+ year old JC Chavez...

[poeticlsykuac]

Mythically and hypothetically speaking, Calzaghe boxes circles around Tsyzu.

Calzaghe proved more in the sport of boxing than Zoo did. When it's all said and done, Tsyzu's biggest career win will likely be the 40+ year old JC Chavez...

Try again Chavez was 38, younger then both Hopkins and Jones, Cal's best wins. That said Chavez was far more war torn then Hopkins, but not Jones.

Tsyzu was the better fighter, better opposition, more skill, power, adjustments, and smarter fighter. More humble. Man the list is long on how Tszyu was a better and far more respected fighter.

[Abstraction]

Calzaghe fans are arguably the biggest joke in anything boxing related

[SHB]

Have you actually watched the fight? Judah nearly had him on the canvas in round 1. Judah was world class, Kosta cut off the ring more, jabbed to body and head, and used the pawing left to block judah's jab to set up the right hand. So Kostya made adjustments against a world class fighter in his prime. Thus, you are wrong, I dont want to have to make it any clearer for you, your'e a clever boy, read the above quote. Then again on second thoughts........



Wrong.

Ps. Its a shame calzaghe didnt fight Glen Johnson in his prime, because they agreed to fight and Calzaghe pulled out twice didnt he?

He got injured. Hell, his hands are now held together by sticking plaster. You could hardly call Calzaghe's hand injuries phoney - you only have to see how he's adapted from slugger to boxer over the years. Damn shame that fight never happened but let's not kid ourselves it would have been anything other than a Calzaghe UD - a come forward pressure fighter is absolutely tailor made for Calzaghe. Of course, if Glencoffe had actually beat Woods (and how on earth could anyone think he was robbed there?) we would have seen the fight instead of the woeful HBO-requested Manfredo slapdown. Also, nobody wanted Glen to get the decision against Dawson more than me but it was a fair call. Sadly.

I've seen Judah-Kostya a few times actually. Great fight while it lasted. You're talking utter bull**** though in a desperate attempt to justify your argument. I hope you do better than that in your GCSE's otherwise you'll never pass them.

[SHB]

Try again Chavez was 38, younger then both Hopkins and Jones, Cal's best wins. That said Chavez was far more war torn then Hopkins, but not Jones.

I'm glad you contradicted yourself before I had to.

[Technical_Skill]

I've seen Judah-Kostya a few times actually. Great fight while it lasted. You're talking utter bull**** though in a desperate attempt to justify your argument. I hope you do better than that in your GCSE's otherwise you'll never pass them.

Take a look at your post.....



Correction, you've seen the knockout, if you saw the fight you would see Judah hitting him for a laugh and tsyzu nearly out on his feet. Then you would have seen Tyzsu take away Judah's jab alot more, and landing his own solid jab and cutting down the ring better, thus allowing him to set up the right hand.

Here's the whole fight for you.



Ps. Some of you Calzaghe fans are seriously deluded, when it comes to being brainwashed, you even got the Jehovah's witness running scared.

[SHB]

heh heh heh

[poeticlsykuac]

I'm glad you contradicted yourself before I had to.

I do feel that Chavez was the "older" boxer in the ring, but not by age is all that was meant. To say Chavez was 40 is a plain lie. Chavez had more years in boxing by that point, but I did not contradict myself.