Who Is Ranked Higher On The ATG List of These 3? (Mosley, Oscar & Tito)

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What do you mean?

I don't know... Tito?

You mean the fight he lost? I was referring to the quality of his wins.

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You mean the fight he lost? I was referring to the quality of his wins.

Got it, I was referring to the quality of his competition. Oscar lacks a defining win, since all his 'great' wins (Tito (yes Tito), Pea...) where close to controversial.

Specifically for this fight... well we both watched it, and well 'lost' is an interesting way to describe it.

Since I was never high on Oscar (not that he is that bad -except for being nervously wasting movements and being one handed- but the commentators' nuthugging was already killing me in that they were trying to selling him as the heart of Jake La Motta with the talent of Roy Jones), at this point Tito stock dropped a lot in my eyes. Because I saw that the little head movement and jab I seen before were completely outdone against elite fighters who moved OR jabbed, which showed later. I know some think he had skills and stopped using them, what I think is that those skills were nothing special and and that point it could be seen. Tito is a fighter with no plan B. So is Shane to a lesser degree. IMO they could have both been better than Oscar, but they were not.

[boxaholic]

Dam man you got me thinking. Trinidad>De La Hoya>Mosley. Probably in 10 minutes I will change my mind.

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Got it, I was referring to the quality of his competition. Oscar lacks a defining win, since all his 'great' wins (Tito (yes Tito), Pea...) where close to controversial.

Specifically for this fight... well we both watched it, and well 'lost' is an interesting way to describe it.

Since I was never high on Oscar (not that he is that bad -except for being nervously wasting movements and being one handed- but the commentators' nuthugging was already killing me in that they were trying to selling him as the heart of Jake La Motta with the talent of Roy Jones), at this point Tito stock dropped a lot in my eyes. Because I saw that the little head movement and jab I seen before were completely outdone against elite fighters who moved OR jabbed, which showed later. I know some think he had skills and stopped using them, what I think is that those skills were nothing special and and that point it could be seen. Tito is a fighter with no plan B. So is Shane to a lesser degree. IMO they could have both been better than Oscar, but they were not.

Tito took on the tough challenges in every division he fought in. Oscar, for the most part, avoided the big challenges or feasted on leftovers.

I know a bunch of people will throw all these "names" at me that Oscar fought but more important than who is when...story of the Golden Goose's career.

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Tito took on the tough challenges in every division he fought in. Oscar, for the most part, avoided the big challenges or feasted on leftovers.

I know a bunch of people will throw all these "names" at me that Oscar fought but more important than who is when...story of the Golden Goose's career.

154-160 are the divisions where Tito picked the harder fights than Oscar did, but he was also a bit bigger naturally. Oscar had a much tougher run at 147. Pea, Ike, Shane.

Tito also retired for reasons that are beyond my understanding, I don't think less of him for doing it, but finishing your career at 28 does not help your case.

Anyways, I don't know if and what you voted, but as you can see I did not vote.

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154-160 are the divisions where Tito picked the harder fights than Oscar did, but he was also a bit bigger naturally. Oscar had a much tougher run at 147. Pea, Ike, Shane.

Tito also retired for reasons that are beyond my understanding, I don't think less of him for doing it, but finishing your career at 28 does not help your case.

Anyways, I don't know if and what you voted, but as you can see I did not vote.

I don't agree at all.

Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months.

[Lazy Liberal]

1.Oscar,people forget his early lower weight days and the great wins he had at an early age. Oscar moving up in weight from 130-160 slightly moves him up past Felix.

2. FElix "tito" Trinidad, awesome stalking puncher. Ruled the WW division but Oscar put that notion into question. Also fights against Quartey and fighting a Sweet Pea earlier should of been made.

3. MOsley, dominant champ at 135 but opposition was similar to Jones jr competition at LHW. Owns a legit victory over Osacr but also owns a fraud victory over Oscar. Dominant victory over the Torrance Tornado but he is a notch below Tito and Osacr.

[Lazy Liberal]

I don't agree at all.

Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months.

I understand the yrs later part of Osacr fighting the opponents Tito faced but Oscar was not a WW at teh start of his career. The possibility of facing opponents that Tito had already fought are extremely high considering that Oscar started at 130. If both fighters started at Ww then your argument would be more valid.


Bottom line, Tito didn't fight Quartey and fought Sweet Pea 2 yrs after Oscar fought him, so if Osacr fought a shot Pea then Tito is even more guilty of that.

BOth Tito and Osacr are faves of mine.

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I understand the yrs later part of Osacr fighting the opponents Tito faced but Oscar was not a WW at teh start of his career. The possibility of facing opponents that Tito had already fought are extremely high considering that Oscar started at 130. If both fighters started at Ww then your argument would be more valid.


Bottom line, Tito didn't fight Quartey and fought Sweet Pea 2 yrs after Oscar fought him, so if Osacr fought a shot Pea then Tito is even more guilty of that.

BOth Tito and Osacr are faves of mine.

My point is that Tito fought far better comp at 147 and above. And he did.

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I don't agree at all.

Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months.

please don't tell me YOU count defenses of paper belts...

Are you saying Campas and Carr that Tito faced are better than the Pea or Ike that Oscar faced? (not to mention Shane) Seriously?

Pea was not the Pea who ridiculized McGirt in their second fight or made an almost prime JC look like Margarito, but he was still a whole lot better than Oba Carr or Campas or anyone Tito fought at 147. Same goes with Ike, and btw he would have been coming off a long layoff against Tito as well.