Let's all agree now. Calzaghe is an ATG.

[SkillspayBills]

Styles make fights dude.

[WESS]

WESS, Hops was unable to look as good against Calzaghe, as he could Pavlik because there different fighters you dufus.

Calzaghe had the speed, movement, work rate, feinting, and resilience to disable Hopkins from looking that good and schooling him.

Stop being so profoundly ******, it's embarrassing.

lol like people just said on here. Joe took over in the second half of the fight.

My point was, Hop looked more active in ONE round of the PAV fight than he did any of his last few fights and not just Joe's.

Hop said he changed his style and takes chances. If you noticed he was throwing a lot punches and never was tired.....

When he faced Joe, many say he was dead tired, faked low blows and wasnt active enough.

Again my point is even though its 2 different fighters. It was a different Hopkins in there then what we have seen in the last few years including the ass whoppin he gave tarver. Hop last night took risks and looked for the KO's........

I know the styles make fights. But Pav had nothing to do with what Im talking about. Hop went all 12 rounds throwing punches and wasnt tired. Which blew my mind and IF you watched the fight would see the HBO peeps feeling the same way.

[Heru]

Hopkins was not even close to 100% in the Calzaghe fight and was still even with him. Going into that fight he had a hyperactive thyroid that zapped his energy. Calzaghe did nothing special to stay close to him in that fight except stay on his feet (most of the time) when he got punched.

Slapzaghe got protected for 13 years, dude is ass, that's why he'll never be seen as an ATG. He would get abused in a rematch, but we'll never see it because the guy still has that ***** in him. He's the British Sven Ottke.

[OTSS]

No, I will not agree.

[Heru]

No, I will not agree.

You don't have to agree. Look at his opponents from before Lacy and you'll see that with the exception of Eubank (who didn't win a fight afterward), dude was protected, that can not be argued.

[Heru]

No, I will not agree.

My b, I didn't notice you were responding to the thread. In which case I agree with you

[KingTito]

I don't think that makes him an ATG. He barely beat Hopkins. Taylor beat him twice.

[Jim Jeffries]

I don't think that makes him an ATG. He barely beat Hopkins. Taylor beat him twice.

Don't you mean Taylor barely beat him twice? And Hopkins just destroyed the guy who beat Taylor twice.

[RodBarker]

You guys crack me up sometimes why dont people look at some of dynamics involved instead of the in your face A beating B , the Bhop last night was all around a better machine than the 175 lb Bhop that fought Joe , much better condition faster more endurance , you could see it a mile away , Id like to see Bhop fight Joe again at 168 , or if Joe wants 175 so bad fight Dawson at 175 .

In this environment fighters are jumping all over the place as far as weight goes and some of them are going to come unstuck , its ironic that most of the biggest upsets or near upsets or just plain ol lack lustre performances involve somebody playing with weight .

[El Dominicano]

he has problems with boxing terms.

he uses them incorrectly at times.

i think bernard is joe's best win now. the way he handled pavlik last night proves bernard is still an elite at this late stage of his career.

The pink ranger? She isn't fat

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