Let's all agree now. Calzaghe is an ATG.

[WESS]

You guys crack me up sometimes why dont people look at some of dynamics involved instead of the in your face A beating B , the Bhop last night was all around a better machine than the 175 lb Bhop that fought Joe , much better condition faster more endurance , you could see it a mile away , Id like to see Bhop fight Joe again at 168 , or if Joe wants 175 so bad fight Dawson at 175 .

In this environment fighters are jumping all over the place as far as weight goes and some of them are going to come unstuck , its ironic that most of the biggest upsets or near upsets or just plain ol lack lustre performances involve somebody playing with weight .

Point on! The Calzaghe fans don't notice this and believe the old B-Hop that fought Joe was the same old B-Hop that fought Pav....

170 lb old Hop vs Pav was more active in one round than his entire fight with JC, JT, Winky and Tarver. The fighter Hop was facing had nothing to do with him running around and punching for 12 rounds. We have seen the "NEW" and improved "OLD" HOP, or at least what I would call it (still in shock). I think the so called "L" to Joe fueled the fire to fight on.... who knows. Everyone can agree this Hop from day one of signing to fight Pav has been completely different. FACT.... Joe did "something" and "beating" (out scoring) him is not that "something".

Again, Hop said he will no longer wear the "seat belt" and "take chances" by "looking for KO's" and "letting go more often". Hop lost to Joe because he didn't do these things. Well he just proved he can fight all 12 rounds with a 26 year old and didnt look tired throwing punches and running around. That is the difference my friends. Don't matter who was in the ring. Hop's energy and speed was completely different. FACT.

Joe of course will not choose to fight again which is respectable........ shows us who he really is or has been for his entire career....

Hof'er? one could agree... ATG? Sorry... Nope, never..... His fans have no reason to be mad. I mean HOF'er is good... That's what Joe is..."good"....not great.

[Rutgers]

lol...I don't understand some of the logic that is going on here. Joe Calzaghe is an Undisputed Champion with 21 title defenses that is currently 45-0 and has been champion for 10+ years, but he is not an atg even by beating an atg in his last fight, who just beat the undisputed middleweight champion. That is not making any sense to me.

The worst part about it was that I had the fight 116-112 for Calzaghe and the punch stats I believe reflected Calzaghe won, but people still want to discredit Joe.

[IMDAZED]

So Hopkins beats Pavlik...now Calzaghe is an ATG?

No. No. No.

[j.razor]

how is he great? he should have lost to hopkins everyone in the arena knew that even him and his trainer. the windmilling spazz escaped with a gift. all time greats dont fight in such a disgraceful manner. if you cant hit hopkins stop crying about it and throw some real punches. can't believe the 2 idiotic judges fell for that pathetic crap. they felt sorry for him cause he was TRYING HARD you don't win a fight cause you tried hard.

true. to be a champ, u must beat the champ & we all know joe didnt beat the champ!

[WhoreUs]

true. to be a champ, u must beat the champ & we all know joe didnt beat the champ!

i thought hopkins was the ring champ at 175.

if so he beat the champ.

hopkins just did not do enough to win that fight.

joe didn't do any damage but at least he was punching.

[BLOODGOD]

He's a HOF maybe... but ATG lolsssss

[sterling]

yeh a hofer but i doubt a atg

[SkilledB]

So Calzaghe fought the worst fight in a long time against Hopkins but still won.

Hopkins followed the loss with a schooling of the young, favoured undefeated Pavlik.

Even the yanks must now acknowledge. Joe Calzaghe is an ALL-TIME-GREAT!

if and a big IF he beats Jones he may be in consieration, as of now no

[Pullcounter]

if and a big IF he beats Jones he may be in consieration, as of now no

hell no RJJ is shot. Calzaghe must rematch the new and improved Hopkins or fight against Dawson in a unification bout. maybe then he will be an ATG.

[SHB]

You guys crack me up sometimes why dont people look at some of dynamics involved instead of the in your face A beating B , the Bhop last night was all around a better machine than the 175 lb Bhop that fought Joe , much better condition faster more endurance , you could see it a mile away , Id like to see Bhop fight Joe again at 168 , or if Joe wants 175 so bad fight Dawson at 175 .

In this environment fighters are jumping all over the place as far as weight goes and some of them are going to come unstuck , its ironic that most of the biggest upsets or near upsets or just plain ol lack lustre performances involve somebody playing with weight .

I suspect his opponent had rather a lot to do with why Hopkins has looked so different in his last two fights. I didn't see any difference in his physical condition and it's a lot easier to last 12 rounds when you're the one controlling the pace.