Roy Jones: "Toney would beat the Klitschko brothers"

[Derranged]

This was from after the Toney Ruiz fight were Toney had looked good so at the time would not have looked so ****** as it does now.

It isnt ****** because he picked Toney to win, but rather the logic he used in picking Toney to win seemed very very weak.. It was very weak, even for a triangle theory.

[Banderivets]

Your comment about the Klitschkos being much bigger than previous fighters is also incorrect Bowe was 6ft 5in Lewis was 6ft 5in Carnera was around 6ft 6 and Willard was also around 6ft 6in.
And no properly trained pro heavyweight is gonna get beat up by some juiced up door men.

Klitschkos along with Lewis where/are the first big men to actually fight, and have skills, not freak shows who only fought/fight thanks to their size. Like Carnera and Valuev.

Who said a pro heavyweight will get beat by some bouncer? I just provided a common example of where size alone will be sufficient enough to win a fight.

Secondly dont take my post the wrong way. Roy is a very talented guy, that when he weighs enough could beat quite a few heavyweights. But we are talking about Elite Vs Elite here. Roy Jones in an elite fighter, so is Wlad. They are elite at very different weights. Now I dont see how Roy could beat Wlad, naturaly weighing what? 50lb less then him.

And Toney is just fat. In order for him to be a heavy withouht fat he would have to bulk up and look like one of those body builders, and that built wont let him do **** with his fists.


P.S I hate ****ing bouncers, they are power trippin *******...never seen a bouncer fight one on one, its always a pack of em beating on a man half their size.

[Derranged]

Klitschkos along with Lewis where/are the first big men to actually fight, and have skills, not freak shows who only fought/fight thanks to their size. Like Carnera and Valuev.

Who said a pro heavyweight will get beat by some bouncer? I just provided a common example of where size alone will be sufficient enough to win a fight.

Secondly dont take my post the wrong way. Roy is a very talented guy, that when he weighs enough could beat quite a few heavyweights. But we are talking about Elite Vs Elite here. Roy Jones in an elite fighter, so is Wlad. They are elite at very different weights. Now I dont see how Roy could beat Wlad, naturaly weighing what? 50lb less then him.

And Toney is just fat. In order for him to be a heavy withouht fat he would have to bulk up and look like one of those body builders, and that built wont let him do **** with his fists.


P.S I hate ****ing bouncers, they are power trippin *******...never seen a bouncer fight one on one, its always a pack of em beating on a man half their size.

Bowe wasnt just a freak show, he could fight. But you're right, back in the day you didnt see really big, good fighters. Even in Tysons day the average HW was around 210-212.

[Banderivets]

Bowe wasnt just a freak show, he could fight. But you're right, back in the day you didnt see really big, good fighters. Even in Tysons day the average HW was around 210-212.

Indeed, Im not taking anything away from Bowe. BUt he was one in a million. (again dont take it litteraly)

Lennox kind of made it a requirement to be (im just throwing a number here) 6foot 5 240lb.

Im one of those firm believers that if Lennox was not 6foot5, but 5'11" the Stewart style of jab followed by a straight hand would not work against someone like Tyson. Then again, I do not believe that a man over 6'4" can move like Ali or bob and weave like Tyson, personally I think that the bigger you are, the more limited you become in respect to the kind of fighting style you can adapt to.

I really do believe that the style of jab straight right is the winning style for heavyweights from now and on to the future.

We all hate to admit it, but you can be 6'1" and talented as hell, weighing 215lb, but the bottom line is that if the man on the other side of the ring perfectly executes a jab, its going to be tough to score points.

Possesing a jab which would knock out guys in lower weight divisions, and using it properly is nearly impossible to get around.

[Stickman]

Bowe wasnt just a freak show, he could fight. But you're right, back in the day you didnt see really big, good fighters. Even in Tysons day the average HW was around 210-212.

Yeah, Bowe had a great skillset, and plenty of power and handspeed to go with it. He really was just a fantastic heavyweight, but unfortunately he didn't quite live up to his potential.

[Zack Morris]

LMAO. Lampley looked like he was biting his tounge and wanted to deck Roy Jones ****** ass in the face.

[Pullcounter]

Roy gives his ******ed opinion on Toney vs The Klitschkos

obviously roy is saying that because rjj beat toney and by the transitive property if toney > the klits, and rjj > toney, then rjj > the klits.... of course boxing doesn't work that way.

[Stickman]

I like Roy, I really do, but damn he's ****** sometimes. It's a good thing he doesn't have to be able to speak proper english or form coherent sentences to do his job in the ring.

[lparm]

"I would take Lewis over the 6'5 230 lbs Roy anyday because Roy is like Iverson once his speed left he became an ordinary guy".

That was a perfect example of a contradition right there^. It seems like you are a little confused to me.

Roy still would not be any good? What makes you think he is no good? is it the titles in 4 weights or the 52-4 (really 53-3) record with 26 title fights? BTW, Hopkins never beat anyone with athletesism either, he won with ring know how and skill. Both offensive and defensive skill. He was no more athletic than the average fighter, really. He was however in good physical shape.

If you are somehow saying that Tarver is better than Jones, you are surely dillusional. Tarver landed a one in a million shot that caused big changes in Roy's career. Simple as that. He got beat handily in the first fight and would have in the 3rd , had Roy tried even a little bit, which he did'nt. Just because Tarver hit some gloves and threw more punches, people give him credit in the 1st fight when he clearly was outclassed. Tito is great at any time, he just has a problem with certain fighters styles. Weight has nothing to do with anything. Toney competes at Heavyweight. Like most fighters, there is a style weakness. That's all that kept Tito from being undefeated fighting Roy.

Strange how Johnson loses a hometown decision in his town too , huh? If you beat Glenn Johnson for 12 rounds, you deserve respect of some sort no matter where the fight is. He flat out brings it and has a granite chin. Woods deserves respect that got taken away when Tarver easily beat him a few months back. That was nowhere near the real fighter that he usually is.

That being said, I can see that you have a negative spin on Rjj and it probably makes no sense trying to convince you since your mind is already made up.

Did he? Did RJJ beat Tarver handily? Last I checked many fans believed he lost the 1st fight and the one judge with his eyes open had it a draw. So I think you're a little confused here. So what you said was if Roy "tried" he could have beaten Tarver all 3 times? Dude I know you love Jones and I myself think he was an amazingly gifted fighter but you have to wake up kid. RJJ got beat by Tarver officially twice and to some fans 3 times. In regards to Woods-Johnson you need to check your facts before writing such lies because they fought 3 times all 3 in England. So Johnson went to Woods' hometown and maybe got shafted in at least 1 fight. But no sense trying to convince you that Tarver or Johnson are better than Jones since your mind is already made up.

[BennyST]

Why do white fighters like Kelly Pavlik, Vitali Klitschko, and so on these board get hated on? Those fighters are talented and would give hell to anyone in other eras. Though if Marvin Hagler had fought Pavlik, I would have favored Hagler but that doesn't change the fact that some of you seem to hate white fighters on here...

People on here need to stop looking at ****ing skin color for god sakes, welcome to the year 2008... *******s

Pavlik would give hell to any fighter in middleweight history would he? I can think of a bunch of middleweights of the last 20 or 30 years that would beat him pretty easy. Klitschko would give most problems simply because of his size but he would still not give hell to the better heavies....and it has nothing to do with skin color or any of that BS!