Roy Jones: "Toney would beat the Klitschko brothers"

[Jose Rizal]

Toney can beat them in a pie eating contest. But I don't doubt he'll give them a good fight.

[poeticlsykuac]

Alright burning myself at the stake here.

Toney is a bad match up for these guys. I think Vitali would most likely KO Toney if he can hit him, but do you think he could hit him? Both these guys are very big and slow(in comparison). Vitali and Wlad are very good at fighting tall. If Toney got inside(which I believe he could, not would), he would win. Toney is one of the best inside fighters of all time. If he gets inside, he wins.

Toney could make Vitali and Wlad miss, if he slipped punches right he could find himself on the inside landing some damage. In a inside firefight he obviously wins against the slower men, who don't have the best selection of hooks and upper cuts.

Vitali wins, Wlad loses imo. Vitali fought more intelligently and patiently even though he was less skilled.

[Derranged]

To add to what I said before, its not so much that its ****** to have picked James Toney to win. I mean at the time, Toney looked good and was considered a top heavyweight. Wladimir at the time was still a very big question mark, much bigger than he was now. So if someone had an argument for why Toney would win, Id listen. But Roy's reasoning in that clip was ridiculous.

[ACHlLLES]

Roy picked heavyweight version of Toney to beat Vitali... Whats roy smoking?

[Jim Jeffries]

Roy picked heavyweight version of Toney to beat Vitali... Whats roy smoking?

Exactly, the same Vitali that would've been Roy's mandatory. Everyone knows Roy didn't want any part of Vit or Lennox.

[lparm]

A few things here.

I never said Roy would fight the Klitschko's or ever incinuated that. What post are you reading?
Jones would have to be a ****in idiot to consider it. But, if Jones were 6' 5"+ and weighed 230+lbs, would you see any heavyweight ****ing with him? Hell No!!!!! Roy said Toney would beat either Klitschko mostly by reaction and based on his fight with James. He probably thought on it later and realized it was not the smartest thing to say. Just like when he said Hasim Rahman would beat Vitali. We know better.

To comment on the Jones not fighting Dariusz M. ? Who gives a snowman chance in hell to DW in a fight with Jones of even escaping the fight at all, more less winning it? Jones would have wasted time and money fighting that bum and anyone with sense knows it. With names like Hopkins, Tarver, Toney , Woods, Trinidad and soon to be Calzaghe on your resume', you don't need words to prove your greatness. It speaks for itself.

If RJJ was 6'5+ and 230 + lbs he still wouldnt be that good at this point in his career. Like Hopkins said Jones had such good athleticism that he beat guys on talent but when his speed started fading his lack of boxing fundamentals was exposed. I would take Lewis over the 6'5 230 lbs Roy anyday because Roy is like Iverson once his speed left he became an ordinary guy. And as for him being better than Tarver dont forget Tarver exposed him twice and arguably won the first fight. Tito was old and coming back from years away and around 15lbs higher than his best weight class, woods is basically a journeyman that got lucky to pick up a belt and a hometown decision over Johnson. Hopkins and Toney are legit big names RJJ beat because they were both prime or close to it can't argue there.

[Chase8400]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I admit Roy uses incredibly ****ty reasoning for why Toney would beat both of them. Reasoning that you would think a great boxing mind like his wouldnt use. He uses a WEAK form of the triangle theory. Byrd beat Vitali, and Toney is faster than Byrd, and Vitali is better than Wladimir, so that means Toney definitely beats Wladimir... I mean gimmie a break. What kind of bull**** is that?

Also, this was over three years ago, alot has changed since then.

Exactly, because Byrd no more got his way with Vitali than he did with Wladimir. He was basically losing every round when Vit got hurt.

[Davros?]

This was from after the Toney Ruiz fight were Toney had looked good so at the time would not have looked so ****** as it does now.

[Chase8400]

If RJJ was 6'5+ and 230 + lbs he still wouldnt be that good at this point in his career. Like Hopkins said Jones had such good athleticism that he beat guys on talent but when his speed started fading his lack of boxing fundamentals was exposed. I would take Lewis over the 6'5 230 lbs Roy anyday because Roy is like Iverson once his speed left he became an ordinary guy. And as for him being better than Tarver dont forget Tarver exposed him twice and arguably won the first fight. Tito was old and coming back from years away and around 15lbs higher than his best weight class, woods is basically a journeyman that got lucky to pick up a belt and a hometown decision over Johnson. Hopkins and Toney are legit big names RJJ beat because they were both prime or close to it can't argue there.

"I would take Lewis over the 6'5 230 lbs Roy anyday because Roy is like Iverson once his speed left he became an ordinary guy".

That was a perfect example of a contradition right there^. It seems like you are a little confused to me.

Roy still would not be any good? What makes you think he is no good? is it the titles in 4 weights or the 52-4 (really 53-3) record with 26 title fights? BTW, Hopkins never beat anyone with athletesism either, he won with ring know how and skill. Both offensive and defensive skill. He was no more athletic than the average fighter, really. He was however in good physical shape.

If you are somehow saying that Tarver is better than Jones, you are surely dillusional. Tarver landed a one in a million shot that caused big changes in Roy's career. Simple as that. He got beat handily in the first fight and would have in the 3rd , had Roy tried even a little bit, which he did'nt. Just because Tarver hit some gloves and threw more punches, people give him credit in the 1st fight when he clearly was outclassed. Tito is great at any time, he just has a problem with certain fighters styles. Weight has nothing to do with anything. Toney competes at Heavyweight. Like most fighters, there is a style weakness. That's all that kept Tito from being undefeated fighting Roy.

Strange how Johnson loses a hometown decision in his town too , huh? If you beat Glenn Johnson for 12 rounds, you deserve respect of some sort no matter where the fight is. He flat out brings it and has a granite chin. Woods deserves respect that got taken away when Tarver easily beat him a few months back. That was nowhere near the real fighter that he usually is.

That being said, I can see that you have a negative spin on Rjj and it probably makes no sense trying to convince you since your mind is already made up.

[Davros?]

When will people learn that there are weight divisions for a reason.

Im sorry to put it this way, but 85% of the time the man that is much bigger then his opponent (natural weight) is going to win the fight.

Toney is not a heavy, neither is Roy.

Klitschkos arent just natural heavy's, they are the NEXT GENERATION of heavies. Much bigger then anyone else in the past.

People talk of chins.....**** china chin men these days prolly wouldnt look that bad getting punched by 5-11, 6-foot guys from back in the day.

Live with it.


I'm 6'1 210lb..........I know there are a bunch of bouncers at the club who are 6'4" 260lb (on juice or not) that will simply overpower me, regardles of the fact that I used to train and all he does is roids and bench press.

I dont see how height is automatically going to give you punching power, Valuev is so tall he cant get anything on his punches, Tyson, Frazier, Dempsey and Liston were all under 6ft 1in and were massive punchers that have enough power to knock out Wlad.
There are weight classes for a reason but there are many fighters who were not natural heavyweights or below 200lb that have had some success examples include Byrd, Chambers, Spinks, JCG, Holyfield, Bert Cooper, Moorer, RJJ, Toney, Quarry, Patterson, Charles, Moore, Louis etc etc etc. Even Langford who was tiny for a heavyweight was able to compete against the big boys.
Your comment about the Klitschkos being much bigger than previous fighters is also incorrect Bowe was 6ft 5in Lewis was 6ft 5in Carnera was around 6ft 6 and Willard was also around 6ft 6in.
And no properly trained pro heavyweight is gonna get beat up by some juiced up door men.