greater fighter, trinidad or chavez?

[CottoWinsPartII]

As soon as he lost he quit you idiot...Tito easily gets frustrated.

? But he never quit on his stool like that overrated bum Chavez the cabbie killa.


Crazy... Be thankful that Tito never fought Chavez. Be thankful.

[adrsan84]

Chavez beat them decisively but none of them come close to Trinidad.

And I would not mention that Trinidad never lost to a mexican and he fought 3 top Mexican fighters of all time: Luis Ramon Campas, Oscar De La Hoya and Fernando Vargas!

Find me any list anywhere that has Campas or Vargas in the top 25, much less top ten. And you can start making excuses for them but he beat them all and he was well know for his lifeslyle which involved a lot of *******, hookers, and partying.

When i make my case I don't have to try to diminish Tito's accomplishments because i do rate him as a top fighter, i just rate chavez above him.

This is a question because I can't be too sure, but how long was Tito on the P4P list and was he ever ranked as number one? I know Chavez was and I just don't think Tito was ever at that level, except maybe after the DLH fight which most people thought he actually lost.

[adrsan84]

? But he never quit on his stool like that overrated bum Chavez the cabbie killa.


Crazy... Be thankful that Tito never fought Chavez. Be thankful.

Be thankful a guy who was at his prime at 135 never fought a guy who never fought a fighter who was at 147 or above his whole career? Yeah that makes sense, you should be thankful Cazares never gets in the ring with Christian Mijares or Israel Vazquez using that logic.

[ChiRock773]

Cheating? That's myth that only has merit in gay bars.

real fans know Tito was a beast.

Cheating though? Vargas... STEROIDS. Ooops.


Lowblows?? Is that how you Mexicans sleep at night? If Tito fought Vargas 100X... He wins 100X. Vargas was a fragile minded loser. A wannabe vato who got OWNED by everyone after Tito RUINED his ass... DLH, haha little Shane too! Left him looking like an alien.

Did Juanma need any low blows to Embarrass Ponce De Leon?

But back to lowblows: Margarito landed about 4 of them against Cotto do you hear us pretending that's why he won???

Get over it... Tito slammed Vargas into the canvas in the 1st round. It was a wrap. NEVER did Vargas have Tito hurt. Tito was trying to kill Vargas all night.

Im not making any excuses...Tito ****ed up Vargas and thats that...But Vargas was a hot head and he went up against a better fighter at that point in his career...His camp ****** big time...they should've brought him up the way the brought Cotto up....

Tito was in his prime while Vargas was far from it...Thats the biggest mistake Vargas and his camp made...

I wish Vargas would've had more brains to go along with his balls...

One thing you can't say is Vargas has no heart...

And DLH won the second fight against Mosley FYI....ANd don't even bring up Tito vs DLH cause we we all know what happened there. Highway Robbery...

[Rompeboca]

Ur a ****ing idiot...I outta slap the **** outta you.Vargas is no where near the top 3 mexican fighters of all time....Vargas is a bum.

Before the Tito fight Vargas accomplishments were:
1. "Fighter of the Year" Award by the World Boxing Hall of Fame.
2. 5 successful defenses of the IBF light middleweight title.
3.Won the 132-lb Junior Olympics Box-Offs; came in second at the Junior Olympics (1992)
4. Won the Junior Olympics Box-Offs, the Junior Olympics, and the Junior Olympics International tournament (1993)
5. Won the 132-lb Gold Medal at the Olympic Festival (1994), seizing the U.S. Championships at 132 pounds, becoming the youngest boxer ever to win the U.S. Championships (Seniors).
6. Participated at the 1994 World Junior Championships, losing in the quarter-finals.
7. 1995 Pan American Games Bronze Medalist in Mar Del Plata (ARG)
8. Selected to the 1996 U.S. Olympic Team

After the TKO lost to Trinidad:
He won a fight here a there but loss the big challenges!
He won the vacant WBA light middleweight title
loss the WBA light middleweight title to Oscar KO him too
Mosley KO him too Twice
Mayorga beat and ridicule Vargas

So I agree with you after Tito beat the **** out of him he was a bum!

[Rompeboca]

Find me any list anywhere that has Campas or Vargas in the top 25, much less top ten. And you can start making excuses for them but he beat them all and he was well know for his lifeslyle which involved a lot of *******, hookers, and partying.

When i make my case I don't have to try to diminish Tito's accomplishments because i do rate him as a top fighter, i just rate chavez above him.

This is a question because I can't be too sure, but how long was Tito on the P4P list and was he ever ranked as number one? I know Chavez was and I just don't think Tito was ever at that level, except maybe after the DLH fight which most people thought he actually lost.

A prime Tito would had KO a prime JCC!

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most people thought that JCC actually lost this^

[ChiRock773]

Before the Tito fight Vargas accomplishments were:
1. "Fighter of the Year" Award by the World Boxing Hall of Fame.
2. 5 successful defenses of the IBF light middleweight title.
3.Won the 132-lb Junior Olympics Box-Offs; came in second at the Junior Olympics (1992)
4. Won the Junior Olympics Box-Offs, the Junior Olympics, and the Junior Olympics International tournament (1993)
5. Won the 132-lb Gold Medal at the Olympic Festival (1994), seizing the U.S. Championships at 132 pounds, becoming the youngest boxer ever to win the U.S. Championships (Seniors).
6. Participated at the 1994 World Junior Championships, losing in the quarter-finals.
7. 1995 Pan American Games Bronze Medalist in Mar Del Plata (ARG)
8. Selected to the 1996 U.S. Olympic Team

After the TKO lost to Trinidad:
He won a fight here a there but loss the big challenges!
He won the vacant WBA light middleweight title
loss the WBA light middleweight title to Oscar KO him too
Mosley KO him too Twice
Mayorga beat and ridicule Vargas

So I agree with you after Tito beat the **** out of him he was a bum!

That still doesn't put him in the Top 10 of Mexican or Mexican American boxers....Even when he acomplished all that..

[Rompeboca]

That still doesn't put him in the Top 10 of Mexican or Mexican American boxers....Even when he acomplished all that..

Yeah hide Vargas now cuz he loss to a P.Rican! Classic!

But those where the top Mexicans when Tito was a round!

It's like Pacman The mexicutioner every time he beat a mexican all of a sudden that wasnt the top Mexican now 5 year and two more weight classes after the first Barreara fight most mexican would say he never fought a top mexican fighter!

[adrsan84]

A prime Tito would had KO a prime JCC!

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most people thought that JCC actually lost this^

Too bad they barely ever overlapped, Like I said, it's like saying a prime Mijares would KO a prime Calderon, because he would, but it's an idiotic fight to think about making. The poll and the accomplishments speak for themselves. Mostly Puerto Ricans are saying it's Tito but it doesn't even make sense seeing as how Chavez beat two of Puerto Rico's best, who now turn out to be bums.

Tito was a great fighter in his own right, but his accomplishments fall short of Chavez's, no matter how bad it burns you inside.

About the Whitaker fight, I thought Pernell won, so, most people think Tito lost to De La Hoya, and that is his biggest win.

[Dambala]

Tito is our hero like Chavez to the Mexicans, their resume are too differents because of the time.