Better overall resume: Calzaghe or Hopkins?

[Left Hook Tua]

There is no fact that Calzaghe would beat a young Glen Johnson and Tarver. Trinidad was past his weight class, however he was blowing out middlweights and even had a title which he won against a natural middleweight. He is all of a sudden past his prime when Hopkins beats him? Ok, who did Calzaghe beat that was even as accomplished as Glen Johnson that were in their prime?

glengoffe has what 12 losses? half were legitimate losses. those guys could beat him but joe can't?

the bernard joe beat is the same bernard who beat antonio. that doesn't prove anything but certainly doesn't remove joe beating tarver as a possibility.

tito blew out one middleweight (a small middleweight) before the hopkins fight. don't exagerrate. he fought only 3 times at 160 before retiring the 1st time. who said tito was past prime?

glen is a good fighter but nothing special. i seriously doubt that the glen bernard fought at 160 is the same as the one we seen a few years ago at 175.

reid , brewer , mitchell are good fighters that are about the same level as glen.

[Floyd Sinclair]

During hopkins reign on top of the middleweight division he didnt fight many big names...and alotta his opponents were blown up welterweights but he also had some tough opponents like antwun echols, glencoffe johnson, tito, de la hoya, william joppy, and keith holmes. These aint the greatest middleweights but their not stiffs. Middleweights were better in the 80's but I think you have to be a calzaghe **** rider to vote for him. Hopkins resume>>>

[Ryn0]

Your prime is when you are at your best so thats basically saying that hes past his prime. Trinidad was at his best at welterweight but he was still a good fighter at middleweight and was unbeaten up until he fought Hopkins.

He was a good fighter at Middleweight. Hopkins was a great fighter at Middleweight.

[slicksouthpaw16]

glengoffe has what 12 losses? half were legitimate losses. those guys could beat him but joe can't?

the bernard joe beat is the same bernard who beat antonio. that doesn't prove anything but certainly doesn't remove joe beating tarver as a possibility.

tito blew out one middleweight (a small middleweight) before the hopkins fight. don't exagerrate. he fought only 3 times at 160 before retiring the 1st time. who said tito was past prime?

glen is a good fighter but nothing special. i seriously doubt that the glen bernard fought at 160 is the same as the one we seen a few years ago at 175.

reid , brewer , mitchell are good fighters that are about the same level as glen.

Johnson was known for going to other fighter's home towns and fighting to close decisions. Its easy to look on boxrec and see a fighters losses and completely ignore what the fighter did do. Johnson was on the pound for pound list and he beat Woods, Tarver and Jones in all of one year.

Trinidad beat a natural middleweight champion, period. Joppy started his career at middleweight and he finished at super middleweight. Calzaghe was even accused of avoiding Johnson when he pulled out of their fight that was signed.

Actually Tarver has a shot at beating Calzaghe. Calzaghe has not fought a ranked southpaw and Tarver is elite.

[IMDAZED]

Bernard Hopkins' win over Felix Trinidad, who was rated #1 or 1a pound for pound at the time (with Shane Mosley) trumps any victory on Joe Calzaghe's resume.

I've listened to the "welter" argument and am stunned. First, Felix Trinidad didn't leap from welter. In fact, he hadn't fought at welter in FIVE fights. And he was absolutely drained his last fight there.

Trinidad fought three times at junior middle (four if you count the Waters fight) and knocked every last one of them the **** out except for David Reid, who he dropped four times and ruined. And that wasn't the only fighter he ruined along the way.

Then he moved to 160 and knocked William Joppy down a billion times (sometimes two, three times on one punch) and stopped him in five. Funny how the supposedly bigger, stronger Hopkins couldn't KO a softened up version of Joppy. Funny how Jermain Taylor couldn't either. In fact, it took seven years for someone else to stop ancient Joppy, and he needed 10 rounds. The weight issue is pure nonsense.

When Felix Trinidad met Hopkins he was considered the world's best and a solid favorite to knock Bernard the **** out. And Hopkins put on one of the best performances in recent years.

I'll also add that he did it again when he leaped TWO divisions and beat the undisputed LHW champ and fellow pound for pounder Antonio Tarver.

Throw in HIS ten year run at the top of HIS weight class and it's a no brainer.

Hopkins wins hands down.

[Clegg]

It seems like this is common amongst European fighters for some reason, look at Abraham, he had a very good impressive (to me at least) win versus Miranda. Who is he fighting next? Pavlik? Chad? No. He's going back to fighting Mundine who is so badly reped around these parts i won't even bother to look him up..

No, he's fighting Marquez, because it's a mandatory, which is the same reason that Pavlik fought Lockett.

[Left Hook Tua]

Johnson was known for going to other fighter's home towns and fighting to close decisions. Its easy to look on boxrec and see a fighters losses and completely ignore what the fighter did do. Johnson was on the pound for pound list and he beat Woods, Tarver and Jones in all of one year.

Trinidad beat a natural middleweight champion, period. Joppy started his career at middleweight and he finished at super middleweight. Calzaghe was even accused of avoiding Johnson when he pulled out of their fight that was signed.

Actually Tarver has a shot at beating Calzaghe. Calzaghe has not fought a ranked southpaw and Tarver is elite.

if you want to debate at least read my post correctly. did i not state that half his losses were NOT legitimate? if you don't want to debate that's fine too. just don't respond and i'll move on. i could care less about this subject. i don't care much for either fighter.

when did i say joppy wasn't a real middleweight? i said he was a small middleweight. would you call him a big middleweight?

of course tarver has a shot at beating joe. did i ever say he doesn't? you're the one that commented on tarver-calzaghe as if joe had no shot against him. i think both are capable of beating each other at this point in their careers.

those are 3 points you have just made against comments that i never made.

[slicksouthpaw16]

if you want to debate at least read my post correctly. did i not state that half his losses were NOT legitimate? if you don't want to debate that's fine too. just don't respond and i'll move on. i could care less about this subject. i don't care much for either fighter.

when did i say joppy wasn't a real middleweight? i said he was a small middleweight. would you call him a big middleweight?

glengoffe has what 12 losses? half were legitimate losses. those guys could beat him but joe can't?the bernard joe beat is the same bernard who beat antonio. that doesn't prove anything but certainly doesn't remove joe beating tarver as a possibility.tito blew out one middleweight (a small middleweight) before the hopkins fight. don't exagerrate. glen is a good fighter but nothing special.

You are clearly downgrading his resume and now all of a sudden you don't know what you posted? You didn't say anything good about Hopkins but instead, talked about average( at best) fighters like Brewer, Sheika, Mitchell ect. Again these are good opponents, but not on the level of Johnson, Tarver, Trinidad ect.

Joppy was a natural middleweight champion, period. Trinidad blew him away in about 6 rounds. He was past his weight class although still a good fighter at middleweight and a legitimate champion.

of course tarver has a shot at beating joe. did i ever say he doesn't? you're the one that commented on tarver-calzaghe as if joe had no shot against him. i think both are capable of beating each other at this point in their careers.

those are 3 points you have just made against comments that i never made.

I never said that Calzaghe wouldn't have a chance against Tarver. That something that you added. I said that there is no proof that he would beat Tarver as he is inexperienced against fellow southpaws.

Give me a prime fighter that Calzaghe has beaten that was pound for pound one of the best fighters in the world?

[warp1432]

While Calzaghe's is good (great), Hopkins' is better.

Also Joe Calzaghe would beat Taylor, Johnson, and probably Tarver. We'll look at that option how Tarver does against Dawson. Still would could shoulda doesn't count with resumes and Bernard has the better one.

Also "average names" like Echols, Shieka, and Brewer for their respective resumes are good names and it helps boost them.

[KJB]

Hopkins. Better prime fighter, better overall resume.