Better overall resume: Calzaghe or Hopkins?

[abadger]

There's not much difference between the standard of their opposition in their respective title reigns. Both beat some good ones, some average ones and some poor ones.

Hopkins sequence of wins over Trinidad, De La Hoya, Wright and Tarver probably trump Joe's over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins himself, based mostly on how the fighters were ranked at the time. You can argue the pros and cons of each opponent on both sides.

Calzaghe has two more defences than Bernard and still hasn't lost his title. Bernard lost his eventually to Jermain Taylor.

They achieved the same thing by going up in weight class to become the LHW man, but Bernard went two weights.

Calzaghe has won every fight, Hopkins has failed to emerge victorious on seven ocassions.

Take your pick.

[KJB]

glengoffe has what 12 losses? half were legitimate losses. those guys could beat him but joe can't?

the bernard joe beat is the same bernard who beat antonio.

First off Glen Johnson is a guy that can be a world beater on any given night. Hell if some decisions had gone his way he would be like 55-4 with wins over Clinton Woods, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones JR and Chad Dawson this year.
He'd have only lost to, like, RJJ, Tarver and Hopkins. Hopkins TKOed him when he was young and something like 32 and 0, before all of the wars the aged him.

[Mike_R]

i think bernard has a better resume.

BUT

who beat who is another issue. and while i am a fan of bernard hopkins- i accept that joe beat him and i understand why that fight went that way.

fights prove the superior fighter when they face each other way before resumes do. bernard is old but he made the choices he made, fought joe, and lost.

on the other hand he knocked joe down early, was never in trouble at any moment of the fight, definitely didnt get beat up, and landed a great majority of his punches- but if you dont got the work rate then you dont.

all im saying is im not going to argue with any calzaghe fans about bernard hopkins being better than joe calzaghe, even though i am a bigger fan of bernard. because joe beat him.

bernard has a very solid legacy and he cares about this sport more than 85% of fighters these days- he proves that by continuously going for different kinds of historical wins. his upcoming fight with pavlik is more than proof than i ever needed that he cares about boxing and wants to give people good fights that he believes are truly significant in some way.

[KJB]

the bernard joe beat is the same bernard who beat antonio.

And no, he wasnt. He cleared slowed down between the fight with Tarver and the fight with Winky. He still beat Wright pretty clearly, but he had slowed down noticeably. He slowed down even more by the fight with Calzaghe, cant really blame an athlete for slowing down between 41 and 43, seems like thats just how it goes.

[Left Hook Tua]

You are clearly downgrading his resume and now all of a sudden you don't know what you posted? You didn't say anything good about Hopkins but instead, talked about average( at best) fighters like Brewer, Sheika, Mitchell ect. Again these are good opponents, but not on the level of Johnson, Tarver, Trinidad ect.

Joppy was a natural middleweight champion, period. Trinidad blew him away in about 6 rounds. He was past his weight class although still a good fighter at middleweight and a legitimate champion.



I never said that Calzaghe wouldn't have a chance against Tarver. That something that you added. I said that there is no proof that he would beat Tarver as he is inexperienced against fellow southpaws.

Give me a prime fighter that Calzaghe has beaten that was pound for pound one of the best fighters in the world?

ok , slick. i'm done.

bernard's resume is better than joe's but not WAY BETTER like some guys would want others to believe. i'll leave it at that.

you're trying to make bernard's resume FAR SUPERIOR to joe's and to me it's NOT. A bit better. That's it.

i need to stay out of bernard vs. joe threads. one day brits think i'm hating on joe and other days people think i'm making joe look better than bernard.

[Left Hook Tua]

First off Glen Johnson is a guy that can be a world beater on any given night. Hell if some decisions had gone his way he would be like 55-4 with wins over Clinton Woods, Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones JR and Chad Dawson this year.
He'd have only lost to, like, RJJ, Tarver and Hopkins. Hopkins TKOed him when he was young and something like 32 and 0, before all of the wars the aged him.

thanks. i'm a glen johnson guy.

glengoffe>antonio

**** tarver!

[Left Hook Tua]

And no, he wasnt. He cleared slowed down between the fight with Tarver and the fight with Winky. He still beat Wright pretty clearly, but he had slowed down noticeably. He slowed down even more by the fight with Calzaghe, cant really blame an athlete for slowing down between 41 and 43, seems like thats just how it goes.

who's to say? we can only guess how much he deteriorated.

i classify hopkins in 3 stages. young hopkins. prime hopkins. old hopkins.

the guy that beat tarver and lost to joe is old hopkins to me.

[Dynamite Kid]

i know Calzaghe is undefeated but i dont think his career has entailed fighting as many varied styles as what Hopkins has and i dont think Calzaghe would be undefeated if he faced some of the oposition Hopkins has where as i feel Hopkins has a great chance at still being undefeated if he had faced Joe's oposition

i cant think of a single fighter Joe has fought that would have troubled Hopkins to much Hopkins at Calzaghe's age im talking about Hopkins would have handled Kessler just as easy and Lacy and the Woodhall's and Starie ,Manfredo,Rick Thornberry,Sheika,Veit,Pudwill,Miguel Angel Jimenez of the world would have been handled with ease

[abadger]

i know Calzaghe is undefeated but i dont think his career has entailed fighting as many varied styles as what Hopkins has and i dont think Calzaghe would be undefeated if he faced some of the oposition Hopkins has where as i feel Hopkins has a great chance at still being undefeated if he had faced Joe's oposition

i cant think of a single fighter Joe has fought that would have troubled Hopkins to much Hopkins at Calzaghe's age im talking about Hopkins would have handled Kessler just as easy and Lacy and the Woodhall's and Starie ,Manfredo,Rick Thornberry,Sheika,Veit,Pudwill,Miguel Angel Jimenez of the world would have been handled with ease

Who do you think would have beat Calzaghe on Bernard's? I'd say an on form Tarver would have the best chance, but I wouldn't pick him, and that was no on-form Tarver anyway. I know you're not going to say Trinidad!

Lets leave out Jones, since he beat Bernard anyway.

[Dynamite Kid]

Who do you think would have beat Calzaghe on Bernard's? I'd say an on form Tarver would have the best chance, but I wouldn't pick him, and that was no on-form Tarver anyway. I know you're not going to say Trinidad!

Lets leave out Jones, since he beat Bernard anyway.

im sure there is a few names in their who would have unexpectedly given Calzaghe problems

Dela Hoya ,Ronald Wright,Antonio Tarver there are plenty of diverse styles on Hopkins resume that could have troubled Calzaghe you may laugh at the Dela Hoya one but lets remeber Oscar is a top fighter and he was outboxing Hopkins for my money untill the stoppage which was a body shot not a head shot

do you think Calzaghe would still be undefeated had he faced the men Hopkins has ? cause i dont not one bit most of Calzaghe's oponents are aggressive fighters there are not many technical fighters like Winky and Tarver ,ODLH i think Winky would take Calzaghe to school TBH ?

i know u think Kessler is technical but i dont think he is