Kelly Pavlik's Goal is To Knock Bernard Hopkins Out

[Carlisle]

Good argument. Hopkins foot movement is more efficient.. I think your sleeping on Pavliks skill though.. also if you look at the Bhop vs Slappy fight.. Bhop was getting hit fairly easily. Pavlik has power but he's more technical than people give him credit for. Slappy easily found Hopkins. Pavlik is going to be right in front of him.. I just dont see Bhop being as physical over 12 rounds. With all that said I think the biggest factor will be how Pavlik carries 170lbs. Will he be more effective than Tarver at 175? With all Tarvers power he got blown out for 12 rounds. Its going to be interesting.

I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at wost a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved.

Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to.

I don't give a **** about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad, Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight.

Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so ****ing basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat.

Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties.

I am not here denying that he is notthe same guy as he was in his mid-late thrities, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little.

Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch conects. The connect percentage. He outlanded Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaning ful blows against Calzaghe...nd most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish.

Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way.

That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 syle. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the **** can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys.

Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork ss much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit more heavy handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more.

Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito.

Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relatie ease, and in the proces take little to no punishemnt. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik outboxing Hopkins OR stopping him.

I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinida,d depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). the saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lt on his opponents, and they eventually succombed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little.

I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points.

That's just my opinion.

We shall see.

[daggum]

Take away the names and I see a hard punching, young fighter, with good all around skills and a high workrate against a very skilled fighter with diminished athletic ability. 27 punches per round is not strategic its OLD. Everyone is looking for signs of Hopkins aging well.. there it is "27 punches per round". Calzaghe as fundamentally flawed as he is gave Hopkins problems with his workrate. Hopkins doesnt have the power or stamina to bother Pavlik. On the flip side Pavlik is going to get his shots in. Calzaghe hit Hopkins flush with straight lefts. Pavlik is a student of the game and he will get his shots in. Against Miranda he took Miranda's best shots only to overwhelm Miranda.. against Taylor he took a brutal knock down and got up, recuperated and beat Taylors ass, brutally knocking him out. Pavlik is going to hurt Hopkins and when he does he will knock him out with uppercuts, hooks and right hand combos surgically connecting to the head.

he did not.

[daggum]

Good argument. Hopkins foot movement is more efficient.. I think your sleeping on Pavliks skill though.. also if you look at the Bhop vs Slappy fight.. Bhop was getting hit fairly easily. Pavlik has power but he's more technical than people give him credit for. Slappy easily found Hopkins. Pavlik is going to be right in front of him.. I just dont see Bhop being as physical over 12 rounds. With all that said I think the biggest factor will be how Pavlik carries 170lbs. Will he be more effective than Tarver at 175? With all Tarvers power he got blown out for 12 rounds. Its going to be interesting.

he was not.

[El Chicano]

I would love to see Hopkins get knocked out...

I don't think Kelly can do it.

[Pugilistic™]

he won't achieve his goal.

[dstew]

He might get KOd himself.

I'd feel like I got my $60 worth if Hopkins KO'd Pavlik.

And I don't strongly like/dislike either man. It would just be funny. $60 funny.

[ExecutiveOutlaw]

no way pavlik KOs hopkins

if he had 1 punch ko power maybe, but hes the type that wears you down systematically. that wont work against someone with good D like hopkins. once JT put his hands up pavlik only hurt him like once and b-hops D >>>>>> jermains

[OTSS]

He better bring a ****in' bat.

[KLITSCHKO.]

Pavlik will be the first man to KO Hopkins

[ExecutiveOutlaw]

Pavlik will be the first man to KO Hopkins

we dont believe you wlad owns, you need more alts