Kelly Pavlik's Goal is To Knock Bernard Hopkins Out

[Carlisle]

27 punches per round is not strategic its OLD

Take away the names and I see a hard punching, young fighter, with good all around skills and a high workrate against a very skilled fighter with diminished athletic ability. 27 punches per round is not strategic its OLD. Everyone is looking for signs of Hopkins aging well.. there it is "27 punches per round". Calzaghe as fundamentally flawed as he is gave Hopkins problems with his workrate. Hopkins doesnt have the power or stamina to bother Pavlik. On the flip side Pavlik is going to get his shots in. Calzaghe hit Hopkins flush with straight lefts. Pavlik is a student of the game and he will get his shots in. Against Miranda he took Miranda's best shots only to overwhelm Miranda.. against Taylor he took a brutal knock down and got up, recuperated and beat Taylors ass, brutally knocking him out. Pavlik is going to hurt Hopkins and when he does he will knock him out with uppercuts, hooks and right hand combos surgically connecting to the head.

One of the major goals at the top of Kelly Pavlik's list when he steps in the ring on October 18 at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City - is to knock Bernard Hopkins out. Hopkins has never been stopped in his 55 pro-fights, and has not tasted the canvas since 1994. [details]

[Carlisle]

There is a first time for everything

Hopkins would beat Pavlik in his prime but physically he is diminished. 27 punches per round to a hard punching 100 punches per round. Pavlik is going to KO Hopkins. The same man that said, "I will never lose to a white boy". There was a first time for that and this will be the first time he gets knocked out. There is a first time for everything.

You guys realize whats going on here dont you? Everbody knows that Bhop is past the point where he has a chance against a young lion like Pavlik, so to make the fight interesting they are bringing up this knockout bull****. Its not a question of will Pavlik beat Bhop, but will he kO Bhop. Lol. If you want to know pay 50 bucks and watch Bhop hold and play defense all night hoping that he does not get knocked out.

[mspiegelo]

and my goal is to rule the universe and to ride a unicorn....

[T-97]

and my goal is to rule the universe and to ride a unicorn....

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[MIAMI CANE]

My Gut Says Pavlik, By Ko.

[Method]

I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at worst a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved.

Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to.

I don't give a **** about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight.

Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so ****ing basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat.

Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties.

I am not here denying that he is not the same guy as he was in his mid-late thirties, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little.

Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch connects. The connect percentage. He out landed Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaningful blows against Calzaghe...and most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish.

Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way.

That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 style. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the **** can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys.

Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork is much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit heavier handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more.

Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito.

Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relative ease, and in the process take little to no punishment. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik out boxing Hopkins OR stopping him.

I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinidad depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). The saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lot on his opponents, and they eventually succumbed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little.

I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points.

That's just my opinion.

We shall see.

[mspiegelo]

I had Taylor by a point in the Pavlik rematch....at wost a draw. Pavlik is currently one of my favorite fighters, so I was happy he got the "W" after Taylor was handed two victories against Hopkins that I don't think he deserved.

Taylor was pretty much able to box Kelly effectively in their rematch, and I say that to say this - If Jermain Taylor can "outbox" Pavlik, then Bernard Hopkins sure as hell will be able to.

I don't give a **** about Hopkins age. I think Team Pavlik is seriously overlooking the task they have at hand, and Jack Loew seems eerily Trinidad, Sr-esque in his outlook leading up to this fight.

Hopkins has been up against big punchers before (a prime Antwun Echols, a prime TitoTrinidad, a prime Joe Lipsey, Charles Brewer, etc.). Pavlik's style is so ****ing basic, that I really don't see him as much of a threat.

Keep in mind that al of Bernard's recent outings were against Southpaws (Wright, Tarver, Calzaghe etc.). He's a different fighter against righties.

I am not here denying that he is notthe same guy as he was in his mid-late thrities, but his competition over the past few years has been against all top P4P guys, and he's beat them all, and taken VERY FEW shots in doing so. Nobody can claim dishing out as much while taking very little.

Yeah, the punches thrown may be anemic compared to some guys, but look at the punch conects. The connect percentage. He outlanded Taylor in BOTH fights...Wright and Tarver too. He landed ALL the meaning ful blows against Calzaghe...nd most of the punches the aforementioned three opponents were credited with were nothing clean, and in the case of Calzaghe, damn near phantom-ish.

Joe Calzaghe was awarded some RIDICULOUS number of connects (something like 234 punches). Let me tell you something - DLH hit Forbes over 200 times, and Forbes face was a mess. Margarito landed on Cotto over 200 times, and Cotto was broken. Joe Calzaghe did NOT land 200 punches on Bernard Hopkins. I'd go as far to say he probably landed less than Hopkins, although I was not counting....but there was no need to anyway. I know what I saw. There is no way you get hit over 230 times and come out without a scratch. Sorry. Just no way.

That said, Joe Calzaghe is very well conditioned, and has busy hands (albeit an amateurish style, which was the way the last fight seemed to be scored). I mention this because Kelly Pavlik, while busy, is not as busy as Joe Cal. He's not throwing those loosey goosey slaps non stop. Kelly Pavlik has a very basic 1-2 syle. He's heavy footed. Jack Loew (and Kelly, for that matter), act as if this is going to be an easy task, and all this talk of KO? How the **** can they even think KO? They need to be thinking connect, first. I just don't see it. Hopkins defense is way too complex for these guys.

Jack Loew is throwing around comparison's of this proposed bout to that of Margarito/Cotto, with Kelly being Margarito and Hopkins being Cotto. Couldn't DISAGREE more here. First of all, Hopkins and Pavlik are roughly the same size. There's no 5-6 inch height/reach advantage, and both guys can carry 160-175 easily. Secondly, Bernard Hopkins is a more complete fighter than Cotto. His defense is SURE a HELLUVA LOT BETTER than that of Miguel Cotto's, and Hopkins counters much more effectively when he makes you miss. His footwork ss much more efficient too. As for comparing Kelly to Margarito, I would say Kelly probably is a bit more heavy handed, but Margarito applies way more pressure, takes a better shot, and throws a helluva lot more.

Gentlemen, Hopkins vs. Pavlik is NOT Cotto vs. Margarito.

Boxing is a pure styles game. Hopkins has the style to beat Kelly Pavlik with relatie ease, and in the proces take little to no punishemnt. Whether he is penalized yet again for this proficient style is another story. I really just don't see Pavlik outboxing Hopkins OR stopping him.

I can see this being another Hopkins/Eastman type of outing, where Hopkins lands at will, and doesn't get hit. It could wind up like Hopkins/Trinida,d depending if Kelly can withstand the punishment. Kelly has been in some fights (Taylor 2x's, Miranda). the saving grace for Pavlik in those fights where he was taking a helluva lot of fire is that he was also landing a helluva lt on his opponents, and they eventually succombed to that. With Hopkins, Pavlik is going to be n the receiving end of a lot of clean punching, and landing very little.

I think Bernard takes him rather easily on points.

That's just my opinion.

We shall see.

im not quite as confident as you about hopkins chances at this stage in his career against the vicious, unrelenting pressure of the ghost, especially the part about B-Hop winning "rather easily on points." still you pose a very good argument and succeeded in getting me very hype while reading through all of that. great post!

[dstew]

I rewatched Taylor/Pavlik II for about the fifth time yesterday and came away less impressed than ever with Pavlik's performance. I had it a draw at best for Pavlik; it could've been scored up to a round or two ahead for Taylor, depending on what the judge was looking for.

When Taylor was boxing, Pavlik was a sitting duck for his jab and his combos. Pavlik was throwing one-twos all night, and only landed what he did because Taylor dropped his hands and stopped moving his head. Pavlik won the fight on the consistency of his jab alone. Taylor landed fewer, but harder shots.

Pavlik/Hopkins will be an interesting fight. I'm not sure how well Kelly's perceived power will transfer up to 170, and Bernard will not stand around and get hit with one-two combos all night, so Kelly will have to pull something else out of his bag if he wants to win rounds in this fight.

[Queen_Leia]

Bernard Hopkins cannot be knocked out.

I rewatched Taylor/Pavlik II for about the fifth time yesterday and came away less impressed than ever with Pavlik's performance. I had it a draw at best for Pavlik; it could've been scored up to a round or two ahead for Taylor, depending on what the judge was looking for.

When Taylor was boxing, Pavlik was a sitting duck for his jab and his combos. Pavlik was throwing one-twos all night, and only landed what he did because Taylor dropped his hands and stopped moving his head. Pavlik won the fight on the consistency of his jab alone. Taylor landed fewer, but harder shots.

Pavlik/Hopkins will be an interesting fight. I'm not sure how well Kelly's perceived power will transfer up to 170, and Bernard will not stand around and get hit with one-two combos all night, so Kelly will have to pull something else out of his bag if he wants to win rounds in this fight.

I had Taylor/Pavlik II for Taylor by 1 point.....Taylor had made adjustment in camp and was outboxing Pavlik. Pavlik came into the fight doing the same ol 1-2 jab,jab, right hand routine and relying on his power. **** even in the 11 when Pavlik hurt taylor with that right hand to the body, Taylor knew how to survive, something he couldn't do in the first fight because of adjustment.

Even when Pavlik was throwing 1,000 punch per round, Taylor would win them because of clean effective punching and using "defense" (high guard) to take away a lot of Pavlik flow.

Calzaghe was limited to a SD with BHop.....Bhop is going expose Kelly badly, even if Kelly win....it will be by decision.

Bhop, Toney, Mayweather.....these guys are unknockoutable because there defense is so much a part of their offense that it doesn't look obvious.

[Chale Tamale]

He might get KOd himself.