what is the difference between calzaghe ducking pavlik and mayweather ducking cotto??

[Boofdatruth]

I'm talking about elite boxers in his past...




Cotto- Shane & Judah, they are still elite fighters.

Margarito- If you count Clottey who is definitely an elite right now then there you go. And joking aside, I could have sworn they put Cintron up on that WW elite list around the end of last year. (I don't personally consider him an elite fighter)

I already posted Calzaghe's, and there are people who don't consider 36 year old shane or judah elite fighters. But i see them as good wins. I'm a true fan. Cotto beating shane, and floyd beating dlh is nothing more than the young gun beating the experienced veteran. Still good wins, but not against an elite fighter. Judah is always a good win because he is a danger to anyone for the first 6 lol. Shane and dlh used to be elite fighters. Now they are looking for payday fighters lol

[letsgobrady]

kessler is better than anyone kelly has ever faced and imo is better than pavlik himself

[Boofdatruth]

you dont consider mosley an elite fighter?? many still have him in the top 20 p4p.

Top 20 pfp??????...lol He was 36 years old when cotto beat him and not even close to the fighter he used to be. A good win, but was shane even a shadow of himself?

[roundingace]

People wanna say JC is fighting Jones because it's less risk. Yet as I stated in a thread yesterday, what will be worse for Joe's legacy - losing to Jones or losing to Pavlik? Seems clear cut that the fight with Jones poses a greater risk with less reward for his legacy in that, if he beats Jones, everyone will say he was old and washed up, yadda, yadda. BUT - should he lose to Jones, yeah, JC's legacy will never be the same. Now, should he lose to Pavlik, well, he's a young undefeated fighter in his prime and a very hard puncher. So it really wouldn't be a shame or a hit to his legacy. If he BEATS Pavlik, well then his legacy is in stone. So, based off of these examples, Kelly Pavlik makes more sense of a last fight for JC because the fight with RJJ carries more risk for a little reward.

[krispy kreme]

I already posted Calzaghe's, and there are people who don't consider 36 year old shane or judah elite fighters. But i see them as good wins. I'm a true fan. Cotto beating shane, and floyd beating dlh is nothing more than the young gun beating the experienced veteran. Still good wins, but not against an elite fighter. Judah is always a good win because he is a danger to anyone for the first 6 lol. Shane and dlh used to be elite fighters. Now they are looking for payday fighters lol

Ok fine, I still consider them Elite as many others would agree, but you opinion is your own. But if thats the case who does Cotto need to beat in this division other than Floyd since you seem to think he hasn't proved himself.

And what about Margarito- Clottey?

[Boofdatruth]

Ok fine, I still consider them Elite as many others would agree, but you opinion is your own. But if thats the case who does Cotto need to beat in this division other than Floyd since you seem to think he hasn't proved himself.

And what about Margarito- Clottey?

Cotto has to beat margs at 147. He beat the best at 140, and now needs to beat margs. Cotto HAS proven himself. I hope you didn't get that from the poster KING. lol Cotto has not been in a long drawn out give and take fight. That isn't a criticism, that is my opinion. Cotto is sugar, and he hasn't had his hearns yet.

[Boofdatruth]

Ok fine, I still consider them Elite as many others would agree, but you opinion is your own.


If there are people still calling shane an elite fighter at age 36, then maybe i'm in the twilight zone. Don't you even remember how shane used to fight back then. Compare it to now.

[Dan...]

Shane should no longer be classified as an elite fighter. He is way too far off his best level to be considered elite now. I don't have anything against Cotto, but he does not beat a prime Mosley IMO.

[Burner]

calzaghe and pavlik are not in the same weight class thats 1 difference

Neither were Hopkins and Calzaghe......

oops.

[krispy kreme]

Ok fine, I still consider them Elite as many others would agree, but you opinion is your own.


If there are people still calling shane an elite fighter at age 36, then maybe i'm in the twilight zone. Don't you even remember how shane used to fight back then. Compare it to now.

Why couldn't Shane still be considered an Elite? He looks great at his age and he would give anyone in the division trouble (not sure about Williams). He is not his prime self, but he is still sharp and has some of his reflexes in tact.

I hope you didn't get that from the poster KING. lol Cotto has not been in a long drawn out give and take fight. That isn't a criticism, that is my opinion. Cotto is sugar, and he hasn't had his hearns yet.

Nothing from King, but the way you make it seem is almost as if Cotto hasn't done anything. And as far as a give & take fight, the Torres or Mosley fight seemed pretty tough to me.