I feel sorry for Wlad's next opponent

[The Hammer]

Muhammed Ali was the most overrated and overhyped boxer of all time, and anyone who thinks he was the greatest heavyweight is delusional.

He kept saying he was the greatest so many times that a few fools are dumb enough to believe it. He lost 2 of 3 to both Norton and Frazier, although the judges robbed each of them of one of their two wins. Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters, like Liston, Moore and Patterson.

[TheGreatA]

Overrated by some but he didn't lose 2 out of 3 to Frazier or Norton.
Maybe he should have lost two to Norton (but he didn't) but definitely not to Frazier.

Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters yes, but so were many of the biggest wins for other top heavyweights.
Jeffries for Johnson, Johnson for Willard, Willard for Dempsey, Dempsey for Tunney, Max Baer for Louis, Louis, Walcott and Charles for Marciano, Moore for Patterson, Ali and Norton for Holmes, Holmes for Tyson, Tyson and Holyfield for Lewis... the list goes on.

Ali fought everyone from perhaps the greatest era of heavyweights and beat everyone.

Archie Moore
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
George Chuvalo
Cleveland Williams
Zora Folley
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster
Bob Foster
Ken Norton
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ron Lyle
Joe Bugner

The rest was Ali fighting past his prime, holding on to get decisions.
Sad end for a great champ, even sadder that some seem to want to remember him only for those last few years.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Muhammed Ali was the most overrated and overhyped boxer of all time, and anyone who thinks he was the greatest heavyweight is delusional.

He kept saying he was the greatest so many time that a few fools are dumb enough to believe it. He lost 2 of 3 to both Norton and Frazier, although the judges robbed each of them of one of their two wins. Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters, like Liston, Moore and Patterson.

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[WLAD OWNS]

That's not how things work around here. If someone like WLAD OWNS is going to make statements like "Wlad is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time", then he's gona have to deal with the consequences. I'm a huge Tyson fan, but even I'll admit he wasn't even close to being the greatest. We have to be realistic no matter how big of a fan we are.

Shut your mouth boy, I never said "Wlad is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time"...But I believe when Wlad's career is all said and done, he will go down as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, he is an amazing talent and he is pretty much unstoppable right now...You and your fellow Klitschko haters can go **** yourselves.

[beez721]

Then who was? Louis? no wait Johnson was better, but how about Ali????? no no no, Marciano baby, **** a doodle, but Foreman did and ????????


If you say Tyson wasnt even close.........youre ******ed.

you actually think with a straight face that tyson was a top 5 all time great? you've got to be kidding me

[The Hammer]

Walcott and Charles for Marciano

Ali fought everyone from perhaps the greatest era of heavyweights and beat everyone.

Archie Moore
Sonny Liston
Floyd Patterson
George Chuvalo
Cleveland Williams
Zora Folley
Jerry Quarry
Oscar Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Buster Mathis
Mac Foster
Bob Foster
Ken Norton
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Ron Lyle
Joe Bugner

The rest was Ali fighting past his prime, holding on to get decisions.

It interesting how you Ali nuthuggers always say Charles was past prime when Marciano defeated him twice, even though they were both the same age. Of course, to discredit Marciano, you'll say age doesn't have anything to do with past prime, and he must have been past prime if Marciano (someone of a race you consider athletically inferior) beat him! Actually he wasn't - you just believe that because you're prejudiced against white boxers. Charles may have been somewhat after the two beatings he took from Rocky.

But Archie Moore, one of those you listed as a great win for Ali, really was past his prime years earlier when Marciano beat him! lol

That time in the 60s and 70s really was no better than any other heavyweight era. The "baby boom" generation simply believe that their youth and everything associated with it was better! Most of those "great" fighters that Ali fought are only considered great because some people believe they were, but in reality they were no better than the heavyweights of any other generation.

[TheGreatA]

It interesting how you Ali nuthuggers always say Charles was past prime when Marciano defeated him twice, even though they were both the same age. Of course, to discredit Marciano, you'll say age doesn't have anything to do with past prime, and he must have been past prime if Marciano beat him! Actually he wasn't - you just believe that because you're prejudiced against white boxers. Charles may have been somewhat after the two beatings he took from Rocky.

Or maybe it's because Charles had already been knocked the F*** out by Jersey Joe Walcott and decisioned by him (and this was a man who Charles had already defeated many times before).

After those losses to Walcott, Charles went on to lose to Valdes (who Marciano never fought) and Harold Johnson. Charles bounced back with a KO win over the glass-chinned Bob Satterfield, then he fought Rocky.

After the losses to Rocky, he went on to lose 14 fights.

Charles came to that fight against Rocky with a hundred fights behind him, many KO losses, many wars, many championships... a whole 14 year career.

Marciano had fought for 7 years, and retired after 8 years in the boxing business (due to his extremely physical style).

It doesn't always have got something to do with race, Tunney.

If you read my post, you would realize that I did call those wins over Moore and Liston, wins over past prime fighters. I also called those wins over Walcott, Louis and Charles, wins over past prime fighters. I have no double standards.

Many of his biggest wins were over past prime fighters yes, but so were many of the biggest wins for other top heavyweights.

This part you see.

[Run]

Unless it's Samuel Peter, then he might just be content boxing from the outside and clinching all night to decision.

Either this is a sarcastic statement, or you read that quote wrong.

How about you interpret what he typed for me?



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[The Hammer]

Or maybe it's because Charles had already been knocked the F*** out by Jersey Joe Walcott and decisioned by him (and this was a man who Charles had already defeated many times before).

After those losses to Walcott, Charles went on to lose to Valdes (who Marciano never fought) and Harold Johnson. Charles bounced back with a KO win over the glass-chinned Bob Satterfield, then he fought Rocky.

After the losses to Rocky, he went on to lose 14 fights.

Charles came to that fight against Rocky with a hundred fights behind him, many KO losses, many wars, many championships... a whole 14 year career.

Marciano had fought for 7 years, and retired after 8 years in the boxing business (due to his extremely physical style).

It doesn't always have got something to do with race, Tunney.

If you read my post, you would realize that I did call those wins over Moore and Liston, wins over past prime fighters. I also called those wins over Walcott, Louis and Charles, wins over past prime fighters. I have no double standards.

You believe Marciano was athletically inferior because he was white. There's no point for me to argue with a racist like you.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Or maybe it's because Charles had already been knocked the F*** out by Jersey Joe Walcott and decisioned by him (and this was a man who Charles had already defeated many times before).

After those losses to Walcott, Charles went on to lose to Valdes (who Marciano never fought) and Harold Johnson. Charles bounced back with a KO win over the glass-chinned Bob Satterfield, then he fought Rocky.

Charles came to that fight against Rocky with a hundred fights behind him, many KO losses, many wars, many championships...

No need to explain, posters (like me) who has been around the sport understand where you are coming from. The Tunny poster is probably one of those posters that even though you explain to them in detail, they will immediately deny what we say and counter back with nonsense.

Ezzard Charles was also past his weight when he fought Marciano. He is a natural light heavyweight when he was in his true prime. Not to take anything from Rocky but all of those top fighters that he beat were mainly past their prime.

Archie Moore was a long reigning light heavyweight champion and didn't get a shot at a heavyweight title until he was old. I would pick a few fighters that were not even great over Marciano. (no disrespect) Chris Byrd would have a shot at out boxing him and Riddock Bowe would also have a good shot.