james toney had a better carrer then roy

[BennyST]

u know u jus sounded like a joke who are those guys? Clinton Woods, Julio Gonzalez, Eric Harding, Reggie Johnson, Mike McCallum, Montell Griffin the second time, Tarver the first time, Virgil Hill, Thulani Malinga ? clinton woods when has he ever been considered a gd fighter? and i didnt even name mike mccallum or reggie because there crap and toney has whooped them 2 aswel but there not confisdered gd either who are those guys? lol

Mike McCallum a **** fighter? What?! He's an absolute stunning fighter who happened to fight both Toney and Jones late in his career. Toney was the one to get a still close to prime McCallum and he gave Toney many problems and the fight ended in a draw. McCallum had only lost one fight from about forty five or so when they first fought. He's also a HOF'er and beat many great fighters and champions in his day. To call McCallum ****, is an act of pure ignorance! No offense though.

In a way I agree with your first post. Toney was such a brilliant fighter and I could see an argument for him being the better champ overall. I think he beat a larger set of better champions and had a better run through certain points in his career but he also was more inconsistent than Jones Jr. Really hard to say who was the better champ on paper. They both had their ups and downs.

Back to McCallum: His wins in his prime equal a who's who of the best fighters (they were very, very good fighters as well) of that era. I find it very sad people have forgotten how damn good he was!
He won his WBA belt and beat such greats as Julian Jackson (his first loss), Milton McCrory and KO'd Donald 'The Cobra' Curry. He then lost a disputed decision to Sambu Kalambay. He then regained it by beating the defensive great Herol Graham and went on to beat Steve Collins, Michael Watson and beat Sambu Kalambay in a rematch. He then drew with Toney. He dropped the rematch though was already old by this stage but he still went up to LHW and beat the great Australian LHW champion Jeff Harding. After this he lost to Jones Jr and again to Toney though was shot by this stage. A three weight world champ with 50 wins and five losses. Three of those to Toney and Jones Jr in his old age, one to Kalambay and another to some French LHW champ. His only loss in his prime being the disputed decision to Kalambay.

[Silencers]

Mike McCallum a **** fighter? What?! He's an absolute stunning fighter who happened to fight both Toney and Jones late in his career. Toney was the one to get a still close to prime McCallum and he gave Toney many problems and the fight ended in a draw. McCallum had only lost one fight from about forty five or so when they first fought. He's also a HOF'er and beat many great fighters and champions in his day. To call McCallum ****, is an act of pure ignorance! No offense though.

In a way I agree with your first post. Toney was such a brilliant fighter and I could see an argument for him being the better champ overall. I think he beat a larger set of better champions and had a better run through certain points in his career but he also was more inconsistent than Jones Jr. Really hard to say who was the better champ on paper. They both had their ups and downs.

Back to McCallum: His wins in his prime equal a who's who of the best fighters (they were very, very good fighters as well) of that era. I find it very sad people have forgotten how damn good he was!
He won his WBA belt and beat such greats as Julian Jackson (his first loss), Milton McCrory and KO'd Donald 'The Cobra' Curry. He then lost a disputed decision to Sambu Kalambay. He then regained it by beating the defensive great Herol Graham and went on to beat Steve Collins, Michael Watson and beat Sambu Kalambay in a rematch. He then drew with Toney. He dropped the rematch though was already old by this stage but he still went up to LHW and beat the great Australian LHW champion Jeff Harding. After this he lost to Jones Jr and again to Toney though was shot by this stage.

People don't remember McCallum because Leonard, Hearns and Hagler didn't want to fight him, it's a shame because he was such a brilliant fighter, of all the fighters Emanuel Steward trained, he said McCallum was the best.

[BennyST]

People don't remember McCallum because Leonard, Hearns and Hagler didn't want to fight him, it's a shame because he was such a brilliant fighter, of all the fighters Emanuel Steward trained, he said McCallum was the best.

It really sucks. I loved McCallum. In his prime days he made everyone look like ****. He gave Jackson a whipping when no one wanted to fight him and beat other great fighters as well. The guy was one of the forgotten ring artists and was also one of the greatest body punchers of modern times!

I guess because he lost to Jones Jr and Toney when he was two hundred years old people that should remember him just remember those fights. They forget that before that he dominated the Jr middle and middleweight division. He didn't really bother with the SMW but just went to LHW and won the title there as well!

[Silencers]

It really sucks. I loved McCallum. In his prime days he made everyone look like ****. He gave Jackson a whipping when no one wanted to fight him and beat other great fighters as well. The guy was one of the forgotten ring artists and was also one of the greatest body punchers of modern times!

I guess because he lost to Jones Jr and Toney when he was two hundred years old people that should remember him just remember those fights. They forget that before that he dominated the Jr middle and middleweight division. He didn't really bother with the SMW but just went to LHW and won the title there as well!

Here's to "The Bodysnatcher" Mike McCallum.

[warp1432]

You know what I find funny?

This member calls Toney "green" in his fight with Jones and then goes on to say that Nunn is a better win over anyone that Jones fought. How can you be green when your best win is supposedly better then any other guys win.

Jones resume kills Toney, Jones kills Toney (killed), and people will remember Jones a lot more then they will remember Toney.

[BennyST]

Here's to "The Bodysnatcher" Mike McCallum.

Cheers! To the great fighter Mike McCallum!

[BennyST]

You know what I find funny?

This member calls Toney "green" in his fight with Jones and then goes on to say that Nunn is a better win over anyone that Jones fought. How can you be green when your best win is supposedly better then any other guys win.

Jones resume kills Toney, Jones kills Toney (killed), and people will remember Jones a lot more then they will remember Toney.

No, he was calling Hopkins green in his fight with Jones. Which he was of course though still an amazing fighter.

People forget how good Nunn was as well because Toney beat him. His string of wins before Toney was incredible! No wonder everyone had him P4P No. 1 at the time. He still went on to beat a bunch of great fighters after that loss.

To forgotten champs of the great middleweight era

[warp1432]

No, he was calling Hopkins green in his fight with Jones. Which he was of course though still an amazing fighter.

Oh sorry. It's harder for me to read his posts because he types like an idiot. I can barely read them.

People forget how good Nunn was as well because Toney beat him. His string of wins before Toney was incredible! No wonder everyone had him P4P No. 1 at the time. He still went on to beat a bunch of great fighters after that loss

Don't get me wrong, Nunn is a great fighter and great win, but if you compare it to the rest of Jones' career and his accomplishments, it falls short. Toney had a good career, but never really had that sucess that he should have in the middle years. He didn't really regain it until 2002/2003.

[danny stash]

Im so sick of hearing people talk about roy being better then toney cause he beat him once they get compared because there both pound for pound middlewieghts ok lets just talk facts here on their PRO! career.
Roy jones jr's biggest is a under developed benard hopkinds and james toney ok thats his biggest win.
James toneys biggest win - michael nunn who was the pound for pound fighter at the time trained by angelo dundee.
Iran barkley who was a warrior but had the wrong style to fight toney.
Im gna add reggie johnson and mike mccallum since some people think there gd and toney whooped them to.
Jirov at cruiserwieght to win his 3rd title in 3 divisions in a epic fight.
he whooped evander holyfield who could stil **** but was old.
He beat undefeated prospect tim littles when he was only allowed 1 round to finish the fight cause of a cut he had.
He used steroids to beat ruiz but so did roy jones as its speculated roy used steroids to but who cares about that.
Now losses and titles
He won wbu title at light heavy but had some losses to bad compeition montel griffen beat him once then robbed toney the 2nd because many believed toney had won.
He lost to another unknown fighter at light heavy and he lost to roy when he had wieght problems.
He lost twice in heavy division to samuel peter.
Theres toneys losses now lets see roy's loses.
Roy lost to montel griffen by DQ because he got frustrated with him.
He lost to tarver 2 times! once when he came back from heavy he got knocked out then lost a UD 2nd.
He got knocked out by glenn johnson :/ who is a journeyman fighter.
So what names can u say on roys record bhop and toney thats all.

Not feelin this one at all bra...

Jones made a mockery out of Toney...

[BennyST]

Oh sorry. It's harder for me to read his posts because he types like an idiot. I can barely read them.

Don't get me wrong, Nunn is a great fighter and great win, but if you compare it to the rest of Jones' career and his accomplishments, it falls short. Toney had a good career, but never really had that sucess that he should have in the middle years. He didn't really regain it until 2002/2003.

Yeah, doesn't it suck when people forget their grammar. I hate reading a post that is just all in one big paragraph or sentence. Anyway, I was just pointing out forgotten fighters, not necessarily saying it was a better win than any of Jones'.

Like both McCallum and Nunn, they're often only talked about in relation to their big losses against the 'superstars' of the day like Jones and Toney, and their huge wins and winning streaks over so many other great fighters seem to be completely forgotten. It sucks. But, I dig ya, Jones had more consistent wins over big names whereas Toney was all over the place.