I was MUCH less impressed than Lamps, Max and the ****

[pesticid]

Dominicano,

What you're saying is pretty much that all international sporting events should be cancelled because there are different broadcasters. In that case forget about the best meeting the best in hockey, basketball, soccer, golf, tennis, etc., etc.

[kayjay]

Toney was skill-wise probably the best fighter in that weightclass' ORBIT. 160-175..

Micheal Nunn would have given Joe Calzaghe fits, actually. Joe woulda pulled it out- but it would have been big problems for him. He doesn't have the power of a Toney.

Did you say something about self-ownage?

[K-Nan]

Maybe you rate those guys more than I do. How good has Hopkins ever been? Has he ever had a performance anywhere close to any of Calzaghe's big fights? You could say Trinidad, but that win is overrated.

Toney is another story. Against Nunn and especially Barkley he fought in the league of Calzaghe. But Toney had so many weaknesses.

Dios, with Floyd in his prime right now it can't be said that JC is the best in the world, but it's a two-man argument now and Manny Pacquiao is not invited.

Would you really pick even a prime Hopkins to stand much of a chance with JC?

Read my last post. I think that Joe is better than Hopkins, but not LEVELS above him. About James Toney, though-- it's not reasonale. JT would beat Joe.

[pesticid]

You did not answer my question. I know why.

But I will answer yours: NO , it does not.

Does SkySports have both participants tied in to contracts?

HBO has:

1) both fighters.
2) a huge market
3) a promoter who it loves to work with
4) an ideal location with tremendous civic support
5) established relationships with the casinos.
6) a highly effective infrastructure to broadcast their own properties

Think about it: would you rather be an owner or a renter?

And this is exactly the point. HBO has both combatants and you don't get HBO ppv in UK anyway, unless smb knows otherwise.

[Azteca]

Toney was skill-wise probably the best fighter in that weightclass' ORBIT. 160-175..

Micheal Nunn would have given Joe Calzaghe fits, actually. Joe woulda pulled it out- but it would have been big problems for him. He doesn't have the power of a Toney.

Not sure how Nunn would of done against Zag. southpaw vs. southpaw. I cant remember Zag fighting any notable southpaws. If he fights Tarver or Dawson and wins convincingly then I would be able to judge. But at the moment I would probably take Nunn in that matchup.

And I do think Zag would beat the piss out of Toney at 168. I've always felt he was overated. He looks outstanding against textbook fighters....but Zag sure as hell is not textbook.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Dominicano,

What you're saying is pretty much that all international sporting events should be cancelled because there are different broadcasters. In that case forget about the best meeting the best in hockey, basketball, soccer, golf, tennis, etc., etc.

Did I really say that?

Or did you just take a specific, fact-based discussion and spread it out into a blanket statement?

[pesticid]

Sometimes renting is better than owning it gives you more liquidity, so the answer depends on the circumstance.

[K-Nan]

Did you say something about self-ownage?

I did. Are you saying that Toney had less power at 168 than Joe Calzaghe?

Please factor in the competition, KJ.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Just in case you forgot:

This thread isn't about a boxer's head vs his heart, it is about YOURS.

I see alot of fight predictions which are based on how much the poster/fan may like or dislike one of the combatants. C'mon...separate your boxing sense from your emotions.

So I am challenging all of you to BE HONEST about the upcoming fights.

Here's my HONEST take:

Head: Taylor UD Pavlik
Heart: Pavlik KO9 Taylor


Head: Cotto SD Mosley
Heart: Cotto KO 6 Mosley


Head: Mayweather TKO 9 Hatton
Heart: Mayweather KO3 Hatton

Head: Vargas TKO 8 Mayorga
Heart: Mayorga KO 1 Vargas

Head: Haye TKO 10 Mormeck
Heart: Mormeck KO6 Haye

Head: Calzaghe UD Kessler
Heart: Kessler KO 8 Calzaghe

Head: Darchinyan TKO 5 Catubay
Heart: Catubay KO 1 Darchinyan

Head: Pacquiao TKO 10 Barrera
Heart: Pacquaio TKO 10 Barrera!!

Head: Dawson TKO 8 Replacement
Heart: Dawson SD Replacement

Head: Peter KO 7 McCline
Heart: Peter KO 2 McCline

Head: Mesi TKO 8 Miller
Heart Miller KO 1 Mesi


Head: Ibragimov UD Holyfield
Heart: Ibragimov KO 1 Holyfield


Head: Gomez UD Tackie
Heart: Gomez UD Tackie


Head: Berto UD Estrada
Heart: Estrada TKO 9 Berto

Head: Bojado UD Forbes
Heart: Forbes TKO 2 Bojado

Head: Marquez UD Juarez
Heart: marquez UD Juarez

Head: Casamayor TKO 8 Santa Cruz
Heart: casamayor TKO 4 santa Cruz

Head: Guzman UD Soto
Heart: Guzman TKO 5 Soto

Head: Tarver TKO 9 Green
Heart: Green KO 1 Tarver

Head: Jones TKO 8 Trinidad
Heart: Jones UD Trinidad

[kayjay]

I did. Are you saying that Toney had less power at 168 than Joe Calzaghe?

Please factor in the competition, KJ.

A young Calzaghe certainly had more power than Toney did at 168. The current Calzaghe, no.