Cotto v Judah

[Dye]

koysta tszyu

exactly, it will be the same outcome as the tszyu fight

[Addison]

this was exactly what I was talkin about with Judah. he gets hit, he gets stunned and he reacts as Teddy Atlas would say not like a fighter should. We should all know by round 4 what the outcome will be in this fight. If Zab can move in and out without taking significant damage and fight a disciplined boxing match he has a very legitimate chance to pull off the upset. But this is really asking a duck to not be a duck. Judah wont fight that way for long if he does at all. He will get drawn into exchanges when he shouldnt and he will live by the sword or die by it. man I cant ****in wait!

Nice, Freedom. I'm glad I'm not having to pass my feeling on this through a filter of advisory input..

If I was - you would have me clutching a bit.

This is what we're here for. Tantalizing stuff.


It works - if this can be put into an equation.


See, the Cotto advocates are making the massive leap in assumption that Cotto is on the next level of competition.

..........That he's at the world class level.

(This mistake was made with Jeff Lacy, David Reid, Gerry Cooney, ect.)

To be fair - that is a total UNKOWN.


All in all, the question of this fight for me is fundamental..

For any Cotto theory to work; he has to be of comparable skill and capability to Zab Judah.

I'm afraid, in my mind, he is not.

No equation. Does not compute. Error. Error.

On top of that, even if they were on the same level of skill and capability Cotto does not have the arsenal to foil a Zab Judah.

Here's a quote from someone else online on our subject..

The guy know's what he's talking about.

"....Eh, bad fight for Cotto. Like the kid a lot but the way to beat Judah is to beat him with straight rights imo. Though another way is to have him backing up a lot without having him moving side to side a lot and it wouldn't be unreasonable for Cotto to accomplish this while scoring to the body with the hooks and break him down there. But I think it's a bad style matchup for Cotto."

[Tuggers1986]

Judah's got this. All he needs to do is box and stay focused

[The Raging Bull]

I've got Cotto by KO in seven.

[JoeR]

Nice, Freedom. I'm glad I'm not having to pass my feeling on this through a filter of advisory input..

If I was - you would have me clutching a bit.

This is what we're here for. Tantalizing stuff.


It works - if this can be put into an equation.


See, the Cotto advocates are making the massive leap in assumption that Cotto is on the next level of competition.

..........That he's at the world class level.

(This mistake was made with Jeff Lacy, David Reid, Gerry Cooney, ect.)

To be fair - that is a total UNKOWN.


All in all, the question of this fight for me is fundamental..

For any Cotto theory to work; he has to be of comparable skill and capability to Zab Judah.

I'm afraid, in my mind, he is not.

No equation. Does not compute. Error. Error.

On top of that, even if they were on the same level of skill and capability Cotto does not have the arsenal to foil a Zab Judah.

Here's a quote from someone else online on our subject..

The guy know's what he's talking about.

"....Eh, bad fight for Cotto. Like the kid a lot but the way to beat Judah is to beat him with straight rights imo. Though another way is to have him backing up a lot without having him moving side to side a lot and it wouldn't be unreasonable for Cotto to accomplish this while scoring to the body with the hooks and break him down there. But I think it's a bad style matchup for Cotto."

Let me respond to a few statements.

It is true, Cotto has not fought anyone at the next level. Just like Lacy and Reid, just like you said. We do assume he is on the next level of competition. Your major flaw in your statement is that Judah has fought the elite level, except he has lost everytime. (Except Spinks II). So yes; Cotto is an unknown in this situation, we dont know how he is going to do against the elite. But Judah is already proven, he will lose when he steps up. We assume with Cotto, we already KNOW with Judah.

Now, quoting your quote:

"The way to beat Judah is with straight rights." This is just based on one round with Kosta. I just cant give it that much weight. But he got it right, the way to beat him is to back him up and put pressure on him. When Kosta landed the straight right? yes, Judah was indeed backing up. And Cotto is real good at pressuring his opponent.

Saying that, I am a little nervous. If Judah comes up gun blazings at the bell, Cotto might get confused or overwhelmed and get knocked out. But I dont give that scenario much of a chance. I am confident Cotto will knockout Judah. Very confident.

[Addison]

Let me respond to a few statements.

It is true, Cotto has not fought anyone at the next level. Just like Lacy and Reid, just like you said. We do assume he is on the next level of competition. Your major flaw in your statement is that Judah has fought the elite level, except he has lost everytime. (Except Spinks II). So yes; Cotto is an unknown in this situation, we dont know how he is going to do against the elite. But Judah is already proven, he will lose when he steps up. We assume with Cotto, we already KNOW with Judah.

Now, quoting your quote:

"The way to beat Judah is with straight rights." This is just based on one round with Kosta. I just cant give it that much weight. But he got it right, the way to beat him is to back him up and put pressure on him. When Kosta landed the straight right? yes, Judah was indeed backing up. And Cotto is real good at pressuring his opponent.

Saying that, I am a little nervous. If Judah comes up gun blazings at the bell, Cotto might get confused or overwhelmed and get knocked out. But I dont give that scenario much of a chance. I am confident Cotto will knockout Judah. Very confident.

Top notch, Joe.


However, to say he's lost basically "everytime" is not only non-factual but it is denominally technical - limited to only X's and O's..

We don't know what would have happened if he had avoided getting tagged by Tszyu.. If Judah had remained focused against Mayweather, ect.

But we do know he can hang with those guys, not to mention make them look bad - even downright dominate guys like that for intervals..

Can Cotto??


Judah did beat Spinks, convincingly, and almost knocked him out with time remaining in their first bout. (so much for the Judah "late round" theory's..)

Even if the the fans and the critics want to slight Cory Spinks - I believe he's one of the most skilled fighters in the top few tiers, and the rightful owner of the Middleweight Championship.


Also, Baldomir would not have been certain to win against Judah were it not for his straight right in the 7th round of their bout.

That punch won him the fight.

So this isn't just Kostya we're talking about..

[The Troll]

Top notch, Joe.


However, to say he's lost basically "everytime" is not only non-factual but it is denominally technical - limited to only X's and O's..

We don't know what would have happened if he had avoided getting tagged by Tszyu.. If Judah had remained focused against Mayweather, ect.

But we do know he can hang with those guys, not to mention make them look bad - even downright dominate guys like that for intervals..

Can Cotto??


Judah did beat Spinks, convincingly, and almost knocked him out with time remaining in their first bout. (so much for the Judah "late round" theory's..)

Even if the the fans and the critics want to slight Cory Spinks - I believe he's one of the most skilled fighters in the top few tiers, and the rightful owner of the Middleweight Championship.


Also, Baldomir would not have been certain to win against Judah were it not for his straight right in the 7th round of their bout.

That punch won him the fight.

So this isn't just Kostya we're talking about..

That guy is pure comedy. I have no idea how you can take him seriously. I could get in the ring tommorrow out of shape with a hangover and not worry about taking punishment with that joker.

[Addison]

That guy is pure comedy. I have no idea how you can take him seriously. I could get in the ring tommorrow out of shape with a hangover and not worry about taking punishment with that joker.

I do agree.

But in this case Judah represent the lesser of evils for me.


This fight isn't about all that other ****.

It's about athleticism. Simple.


This will be one of the lesser evolved explanations of mine.. But you'll see what I'm referring to from Round 1 on upward.

[JoeR]

I got ahead of myself. I have seen all of Judah's significant fights, except against Baldomir. You seem to know your stuff, so ill take it you are right that Baldomir beat Judah in large part because of his straight right hand.

I would like to say this though. Cotto does seems a little one dimensional, and he certainly looks like a "plodder"(not sure if that is correctly written). But I think he is very deceptive. He might look slow and straight forward on TV, but I think in reality he is much more fluid, fast and skilled than he seems on screen.

From what I have read, most people think Cotto will lose against a boxer. I think that is wrong. Cotto will not lose against a boxer(unless his name is mayweather). Sooner or later, Cotto will lose. But I bet you that when he loses, it will be by knockout. He will trade, and eventually he will get caught. Thats why I think Judah has a chance, but I think its a small chance.

[Addison]

That guy is pure comedy. I have no idea how you can take him seriously. I could get in the ring tommorrow out of shape with a hangover and not worry about taking punishment with that joker.

FM, I think you meant Spinks.. My bad if I missed that.


Spinks is the Rodney Dangerfield. I can't deny it.

He deserves it too.

That hug at the end of the Taylor fight was pathetic, hilariously so..


But the boy can box.