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    #51
    Originally posted by PBF34 View Post
    Pavlik wants absolutly no part of Taylor.
    He has been taking the path of least resistance.
    Its not about your record or KO percentage, its about who your fight. In this case, its also about how popular you are, and Mora is more popular than any other fighter Taylor could face right now.
    Like I said, Im OK with this fight AS LONG as it leads to a big clash between Taylor and Winky or Joe.
    I don't know that Pavlik has been offered and that he turned it down. If he has been...oh well... But if he has not been, why not?

    I agree that records are not the be all and it all. But they're a better gauge than guesswork. Mora's record tells us that of the 19 he has had, 4 of those were on "The Contender", working 5 rounds--7 tops. The record also tells us that Mora has had only two bouts that were scheduled for ten and has never appeared for any that was slated to go into the "championship rounds". If he faces Taylor, it shall be his first time. And, his first real "Championship" fight shall be for a world crown, no less. Not a regional one, not a national diadem. A World belt. Make that world belts. Plural. Now, to me, that's a record that speaks volumes and a situation that's elonquent in itself. First 12-rounder and you fight a Taylor for world belts. It leaves me speechless.

    On the matter of the value of "who you fought". I'm looking at Mora's record and I don't see any name that jumps at me. Wins over a Brinkley who has lost all but one of his succeeding fights, against Ishe whose best win was against a late sub, and a pre-Roach Manfredo are not exactly ones that...And getting KD'd before TKO'ng a Termeliksetian, who is not only an unknown but has a name that's hard to remember even by the very few who know him...

    Boxing is as much a business as it is a sport. Popularity counts and it should. Mora's The Contender "championship" may have given his name some resonance. He can, perhaps, draw decently facing fighters of his level. But, can he excite many about a fight against Taylor? Will he be seen as an opponent so compelling as to make people cough up the price of tickets and PPV? In business, name recall doesn't count for much if it cannot be translated to revenues.

    I fear that those who will go to such a meeting shall only be those who'll go to any Taylor fight, regardless of opponent. If such will be the case, Mora with his popularity cannot be of help. So, why him? Why not, say... a MIranda? People may be lured to that match if only to find out about Jermain's chin, or, whether Miranda really has the power that he appears to have. Miranda may not have Mora's name recall but his power can sell better. Besides, he has been making a lot of noise lately...calling out Taylor. Taylor's camp can respond if only to "shut him up". That makes for a hostile environment: drama that sells tickets and PPV's.

    Nevertheless, I may go so far as to agree that Taylor-Mora can be made if only it leads to big ones. I don't see it serving any other purpose. But, even then, I don't know that it shall serve the purpose very well, if at all. If Taylor does to Mora what he did to Uoma, future fights shall not be much of a lure. Mora with his well-known 4 stoppages is not at all much of a danger.

    On the other hand, Taylor can win big against Mora. But I suspect such a win can do little to erase recent memories of Uoma, Winky and Hopkins. Whispers of "It was just a Mora, after all," can run rife.

    Taylor has a job to do, and I think the path to greatness does not have to go through Mora's front door. Not at this stage of Mora's career.

    Somebody posted somewhere on this forum that Mora blamed his defeat to Taylor in the amateurs on some ailment he had when they fought. Taylor, it was also said, asserted that Mora was a tough one for him. I dunno that these statements were any boost to the prospects of Mora winning over Taylor. They can be seen by some as a finger not flatteringly pointing to Taylor. But I don't share either view.

    I can look at Taylor-Mora as a tune-up, if Mora it has to be. But, then, what is it a tune-up for? For a repeat against Winky? For Joe? It shall be nice to know for sure. At least we'll have an idea of where we're going...
    Last edited by grayfist; 12-19-2006, 11:43 PM.

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      #52
      Originally posted by SiN View Post
      I know Winky's turned it down, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's the most deserving challenger right now. He should get 50/50 too since the fight was a draw, more people thought Winky won (shown on many polls), and Taylor just last week proved he isn't much more of a draw in his hometown than Winky is. I think Winky drew a couple thousand more fans actually...
      You're completely wrong on that one. Not only did Taylor have more fans and people in the seats, he didn't have Jeff Lacy on the card. You can't honestly say a lot of people there didn't go because of Lacy. I don't even think that relevant. Weaky would NEVER give somebody a chance at his title for 50/50

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        #53
        Originally posted by grayfist View Post
        I don't know that Pavlik has been offered and that he turned it down. If he has been...oh well... But if he has not been, why not?
        No, he's never been offered anything. I'm pretty sure that was made up. To say Pavlik would turn down such an offer is foolish

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          #54
          Originally posted by JamesMc View Post
          No, he was not offered anything. I'm pretty sure that was made up. To say Pavlik would turn down such an offer is foolish
          I thought so. I can't see someone slave in the gym for hours and days only to pass up a great opportunity. It is difficult to comprehend how a fighter like Pavlik can try to rise in the rankings only to stop and turn away right at the championship doorway.

          He's facing Zertuche in January, isn't he? I can't recall that Zertuche has ever been dropped much less counted out. Good match. Both guys have power. Pavlik, a tad more. In two fights against Zuniga, Zertuche threw nothing but bombs.

          Pavlik should however watch out for the low blows that Zertuche has been known to throw often.
          Last edited by grayfist; 12-20-2006, 12:39 AM.

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            #55
            Originally posted by grayfist View Post
            I thought so. I can't see someone slave in the gym for hours and days only to pass up a great opportunity. It is difficult to comprehend how a fighter like Pavlik can try to rise in the rankings only to stop and turn away right at the championship doorway.

            He's facing Zertuche in January, isn't he? I can't recall that Zertuche has ever been dropped much less counted out. Good match. Both guys have power. Pavlik, a tad more. In two fights against Zuniga, Zertuche threw nothing but bombs.

            Pavlik should however watch out for the low blows that Zertuche has been known to throw often.

            has pavlik stated himself that he wanted to fight jermain taylor?? i mean im sure that if the money were just unworldly he would have to say yes, but i dont think its a fight that pavlik would or should be actively seeking at this point....

            pavlik is only 24 and rather inexperienced, just a look at his record shows he has only been past 6 rounds 3 times and never fought past 9 rounds once in his entire career.... that fact doesent bode well for him against guys who are proven over the distance in wright and taylor (not so much).. i feel he needs at least 2 or 3 fights like the zertuche match and maybe a shot at one of these guys early next year.... unless of course he gets an IBF title fight first (abraham or miranda), a fight i think he would take, cause he probably believes he could win...

            also, i think wright and taylor are holding the middleweight division back with their balking on offers and talk of meg-fights or cross overs between divisions, home state fights, etc..... itd be hard for pavlik to set his sights on taylor seeing how he may or may not even be a middleweight anymore the next time he fights....

            miranda/pavlik would be a barnburner!

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              #56
              Originally posted by uppercut_84 View Post
              Mora is a decent fighter, although he is feather fisted.
              Nay. Mora is ****ing trash. He can never figure out whether to fight as a southpaw or orthodox. That's his best weapon, changing his stance. He's kinda quick, but not really all that fast, not fast enough to pull off the style he attempts all the time. He has zero punching power-- he couldn't knock out a child-- and he's not that technically sound. Taylor is going to brutalize him, it won't even be worth watching.

              Manfredo has a much better chance at beating Calzone than Mora has at even winning a round against Taylor.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Hitman932 View Post
                has pavlik stated himself that he wanted to fight jermain taylor?? i mean im sure that if the money were just unworldly he would have to say yes, but i dont think its a fight that pavlik would or should be actively seeking at this point....

                pavlik is only 24 and rather inexperienced, just a look at his record shows he has only been past 6 rounds 3 times and never fought past 9 rounds once in his entire career.... that fact doesent bode well for him against guys who are proven over the distance in wright and taylor (not so much).. i feel he needs at least 2 or 3 fights like the zertuche match and maybe a shot at one of these guys early next year.... unless of course he gets an IBF title fight first (abraham or miranda), a fight i think he would take, cause he probably believes he could win...

                also, i think wright and taylor are holding the middleweight division back with their balking on offers and talk of meg-fights or cross overs between divisions, home state fights, etc..... itd be hard for pavlik to set his sights on taylor seeing how he may or may not even be a middleweight anymore the next time he fights....

                miranda/pavlik would be a barnburner!
                The statement is about Pavlik having been offered, not whether Pavlik is calling out Taylor. He may not seek it, but shall he refuse? Why has there been no attempt, just so everyone finds out?

                If one speaks about people calling out Taylor, there's Miranda. Taylor's camp however has not been heard to mention his name.

                Mora, as far as I have seen, hasn't been calling Taylor out and yet Taylor's camp has been reported as eyeing him. He has not been reported as eagerly seeking out Taylor in any fashion or form, and yet, he is said to be Taylor's next.

                Though only 25, Pavlik has things that he can speak of that Mora cannot. Pavlik's name came up because I think he should be given as much a chance as the one that appears to be given to Mora. And that's at the very least. What has Mora done to earn the right to face Taylor next that Pavlik has not?

                Miranda and others too.

                On the matter of whether or not Pavlik wants a Taylor fight, it should be Pavlik who should be given a chance to refuse if he wants to refuse. Anyone else who does not belong to his crew cannot refuse on his behalf as it can amount to being no more than pure speculation; and all the rest shall be commentary.

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                  #58
                  You're completely wrong on that one. Not only did Taylor have more fans and people in the seats, he didn't have Jeff Lacy on the card. You can't honestly say a lot of people there didn't go because of Lacy.
                  you're rite about lacy, kompletely wrong about the people in the seats, winkys event had 13000+, taylors 10+, but we all know you hate winky so you kant stand he sold fairly well

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                    #59
                    HBO will offer Pavlik to fight Miranda for the right to fight Taylor.
                    But... watch and see. Pavlik will turn it down.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Pantera2000 View Post
                      HBO will offer Pavlik to fight Miranda for the right to fight Taylor.
                      But... watch and see. Pavlik will turn it down.
                      I'm sorry but I think that's the runabout way. I cannot see the economics of that.

                      Why not Taylor- Miranda and then Taylor-Pavlik? An elimination wouldn't get as much audience as championships. Miranda has said he wants Taylor "ASAP". Why not let him have Taylor ASAP? Taylor can face him instead of Mora in April, and the talks of Miranda-Green can be shelved.

                      Then, if Taylor wins, he can take Pavlik. Or, if Miranda wins, he can take on Pavlik.

                      Two championships. Better money.

                      Re: Pavlik doesn't want anything to do with Miranda: let the offer be made and let him say so, at that time. When there are championships at stake.

                      Pavlik refusing Miranda at this stage can very well be so. For, what can the point be of a contender facing a dangerous contender when one can face the champ for much bigger money?

                      Both Miranda and Pavlik should set their eyes on Taylor. That's what contenders should do: set their eyes on the champ and not on each other.

                      Miranda has been calling out Taylor. He should keep at it while demonstrating in fights that he's most deserving. As for Pavlik, he can keep silent if he chooses to and let his deeds speak for him.

                      If MIranda really wants Pavlik, they can meet after they have had their respective chance to face Taylor. Doing so prior to Taylor is not very clever management.

                      HBO has the reputation of being finance-clever; sometimes, too clever by half.
                      Last edited by grayfist; 12-20-2006, 10:18 PM.

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