Hamzah Sheeraz vs Janibek Alimkhanuly being finalized for the World Middleweight Championship

[Inoue Body Shot]

The link does not show me the odds without joining. Copy and paste the odds.

You are a gambler, think Hrgovic sucks, latch onto Teddy Atlas, a man who is notoriously bad in picking fights, then won't accept a harmless challenge where zero dollars is bet?

Yep.

Prove to me you aren't lying about the odds.

Not lying about the odds. Sheeraz was a bigger favorite than Hrgovic was at the sportsbook that I'm registered with. Hrgovic turns 32 tomorrow and has no impressive win on his resume. I had Zhang beating Hrgovic.

Hrgovic looked lazy, weak and not motivated.

Hrgovic could not deal with the strength and physicality of Daniel Dubois. Dubois completely bullied him all night.

On the other hand Sheeraz completely dominated his opponent and destroyed Williams with his Power jab that HisExcellency and I spoke about.

[HisExcellency]

There were four brackets each for his class. He won one of four. Grocho is moniker, I do not think it's his real name.

Dev earned his spot on the last chance. with 3 other men.

Dev is a TOP amateur talent like I've been saying all along. He passes the eye test with flying colours and won Bronze at the 2023 MEN'S World Amateur Championships after losing a SD to the eventual Gold medal winner from Kazakhstan who was a decade older with 100+ more fights. At the first Olympic qualifier, Dev steamrolled 3 opponents which included an ex-Tokyo Olympian and a former European Silver medallist before losing a controversial SD to Omari Jones (World Amateur Championships Silver medallist).

However, at the second Olympic qualifiers, Dev blitzed through all 4 opponents and won unanimously. Therefore, I agree with your observation that he has a shot at a medal (providing he doesn't get robbed again).

Anyhow, what do you have to say now that a fighter of Indian heritage in the upper weights (160lbs) dominated, dropped and STOPPED an undefeated, ELITE African American KO artist without going down? Btw Nishant Dev ALSO fights at the same weight as Hamzah Sheeraz.

Also, didn't I tell you that Hrgovic was a bum who would be exposed by Dubois?

[Inoue Body Shot]

So you don't think Hrgovic future is better than say Zhang, Fury, and the other ranked fighters era such as Dubious who lost two times? Dev is an amateur fighter who has not accomplished as much as Hrgovic. Sure, Hrgovic is a bum! He was foolish not to train hard, clinch, use his jab, feet, etc ... and combined with Dubois having his best night ever ( where did he suddenly get a chin ) he lost. I think Hrgovic needs a new trainer.

You are always free to quote me, but Sheeaz only beat an overrated USA fighter, not a world champion as India has never had one. Outside of Sheeraz that is not much to talk about in the pro' so was I really wrong? Sheeraz BTW is British an half Pakistan, but you can claim him as part Indian.

Hrgovic turned 32 yesterday and looks undisciplined and lazy to me. I think Dubois is simply TOO STRONG and PHYSICAL for Hrgovic. I think Joe Joyce style would be a nightmare for Hrgovic.

[HisExcellency]

So you don't think Hrgovic future is better than say Zhang, Fury, and the other ranked fighters era such as Dubious who lost two times? Dev is an amateur fighter who has not accomplished as much as Hrgovic. Sure, Hrgovic is a bum! He was foolish not to train hard, clinch, use his jab, feet, etc ... and combined with Dubois having his best night ever ( where did he suddenly get a chin ) he lost. I think Hrgovic needs a new trainer.

You are always free to quote me, but Sheeaz only beat an overrated USA fighter, not a world champion as India has never had one. Outside of Sheeraz that is not much to talk about in the pro' so was I really wrong? Sheeraz BTW is British an half Pakistan, but you can claim him as part Indian.

Sorry Z but Ammo was an undefeated, ELITE African American prospect and KO artist who most people (including yourself) thought would simply walk straight through Sheeraz. This was also a world title eliminator. In fact, even I underestimated Sheeraz and the complete OPPOSITE happened. Also, Pakistan used to be part of India for thousands of years until the British separated us in 1947. Therefore, Sheeraz is ancestrally Indian.

Similarly, Dev fights in the same weight class as Sheeraz (Middleweight) and has been STEAMROLLING his opposition on the amateur circuit despite being just 23yo. In fact, check out the fight below where he lost a controversial SD to his Kazakh opponent who was 7 years older with 100+ more fights experience (the Kazakh eventually won Gold).

Anyhow, I just want you to acknowledge you were wrong in saying that Indian men were too small, weak, feather fisted etc. to succeed in the higher weight classes.

As for Hrgovic, I think it's GAME OVER for him at the highest level. Like I told you before, he's a good fighter but nothing special at all. In fact, not only did I predict that Dubois would do a job on him, I also predicted that 'grade B' Heavyweights like Ruiz, Parker & Zhang would do so too let alone the ELITES of the division like Usyk, Fury & Joshua. He simply hasn't got the stamina and work rate to be a champion and gets hit with far too many clean shots. Therefore, given that he's already 32yo, I expect him to make good on his word and retire following the Dubois loss.

[Inoue Body Shot]

Sorry Z but Ammo was an undefeated, ELITE African American prospect and KO artist who most people (including yourself) thought would simply walk straight through Sheeraz. This was also a world title eliminator. In fact, even I underestimated Sheeraz and the complete OPPOSITE happened. Also, Pakistan used to be part of India for thousands of years until the British separated us in 1947. Therefore, Sheeraz is ancestrally Indian.

Similarly, Dev fights in the same weight class as Sheeraz (Middleweight) and has been STEAMROLLING his opposition on the amateur circuit despite being just 23yo. In fact, check out the fight below where he lost a controversial SD to his Kazakh opponent who was 7 years older with 100+ more fights experience (the Kazakh eventually won Gold).

Anyhow, I just want you to acknowledge you were wrong in saying that Indian men were too small, weak, feather fisted etc. to succeed in the higher weight classes.

As for Hrgovic, I think it's GAME OVER for him at the highest level. Like I told you before, he's a good fighter but nothing special at all. In fact, not only did I predict that Dubois would do a job on him, I also predicted that 'grade B' Heavyweights like Ruiz, Parker & Zhang would do so too let alone the ELITES of the division like Usyk, Fury & Joshua. He simply hasn't got the stamina and work rate to be a champion and gets hit with far too many clean shots. Therefore, given that he's already 32yo, I expect him to make good on his word and retire following the Dubois loss.

You can still debate with Z if you would like to.

I have moved on from debating with him. He has hate in his heart for your people and it's not in him to compliment them in anyway. He will always have some sort of back hand compliment or talk down about them.

[Inoue Body Shot]

I'm not going anywhere. I just don't care about your opinion and feel that you have a prejudice for certain athletes and not interested in speaking with you because you don't accurately just talk sports but prefer to root for a certain race only and refuse to give others credit or down talk them.

[HisExcellency]

Hold on, Willliams was an elite prospect? According to whom?

And Willlaims who has a 65.7 % KO ratio in 17 fights, many of which were of the taxi cab variety, is a KO artist? Not in my book.


Dev is a 23 year old amatuer. Neither old nor young for his weight class in the amateurs. If / when he goes pro, it will be much harder on him. I love his movement skills but he can't punch, and is on the short side. Are there any other good Indian middleweight prospects? There are none at light heavyweight, cruiserweight, bridge weight weight or heavyweight in the amateur or pro's. The best news for him if he decides to go pro is the middleweight division is at an all time low of pro talent. The worst since the 1980's.

I don't think Indian men will win a world title from middleweight to heavyweight. Sorry, they are just too small in general. I would say the same for most Asian nations. BUT do not count out a pro Straw weight to jr Middleweight as a champion one day.


Hrgovic will get another chance to fight another top ten fighter, but he is not done. Hadly. He just turned 32 and had one loss. He is 1-1 vs the the top ten and about 4-0- vs top 25 - 100. I like to see him fight again and get the winner of AJ vs. Dubois. A fighter can learn for his mistakes.

Lol Z trust you to DOWNPLAY Indian success in boxing as usual! Firstly, the entire Saudi card was stacked with 50-50 matchups and many people viewed Ammo as the favourite (including you). Secondly, it was a contest between two undefeated prospects and a world title ELIMINATOR. Therefore, it really doesn't get much more competitive than that bar fighting the world champion. Finally, Ammo's last 10 opponents had a combined record of 172-33 (84% win ratio) and he has a 69% KO ratio. Therefore, let's NOT pretend that he can't punch or was knocking out cab driver's either.

As for Dev, I'm glad you appreciate his movement but where did you get the idea he was too small or couldn't punch? After all, he's been blasting through the opposition with EASE and only loses to TOP fighter's like the Kazakh & Omari Jones via controversial SDs. In terms of power, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the amateurs as Tank Davis only had 2 KOs in 31 amateur wins yet hits like a mule as a professional (93% KO ratio).

As for Hrgovic, I think its pretty much the end of the road for him as far as winning a world title is concerned. Firstly, he's 32yo and said that Dubois was levels beneath him and he'd RETIRE if he lost. Therefore, it'll be mentally tough to come back from this loss. Secondly, promoter's will be wary of him given that he's STRUGGLED with 2 'grade B' Heavyweights in Zhang & Dubois now. Also, at 32yo, it's too difficult to undo his bad habits plus he doesn't have the stamina or work rate to fight at the highest level.

[Dr. Z]

Why was my factual post deleted? Anyway I'm sure you read it, but chose not to reply.

[HisExcellency]

Why was my factual post deleted? Anyway I'm sure you read it, but chose not to reply.

Lol I DIDN'T see your reply as I usually take the weekends off but if it was deleted, no doubt the mods deemed it full of excuses/errors/hate etc as usual.

Anyhow, NOTHING you say can change the fact that a fighter of Indian descent won a world title eliminator against a tough opponent and will now fight for a world title. Similarly, another Indian fighter qualified for the Olympics after blasting through 5 opponents (in addition to his MEN'S 2023 World Amateur Championships Bronze aged 22yo). Both of these guys are Middleweights.

Just accept the hat-trick of Ls like a man (you were also wrong about Hrgovic beating Dubois) and move on!

[Dr. Z]

Lol I DIDN'T see your reply as I usually take the weekends off but if it was deleted, no doubt the mods deemed it full of excuses/errors/hate etc as usual.

Anyhow, NOTHING you say can change the fact that a fighter of Indian descent won a world title eliminator against a tough opponent and will now fight for a world title. Similarly, another Indian fighter qualified for the Olympics after blasting through 5 opponents (in addition to his MEN'S 2023 World Amateur Championships Bronze aged 22yo). Both of these guys are Middleweights.

Just accept the hat-trick of Ls like a man (you were also wrong about Hrgovic beating Dubois) and move on!

I sent you a PM on what was said. No errors/excuses/hate was sent. Dev was one of last 4 men in a 16-20 man field to qualify. Let's see how he does in the Olympics now that he is man. He faces real amateur competition. I question his height, reach, and power as a pro which I estimate at 5'8 1/2", height, 71 " reach, and below 65% KO ratio ( it is currently reads just 4 ko's in amateur 30 fights. Where are the official measurements? So I was wrong about Dubois winning.