Would Marciano be too small for today's heavyweight division ?

[Marchegiano]

You mean to make minimum?

Y'all realize you can't have 185lb HW now right?


Historically speaking giants didn't fare well until after weight minimums prevented smaller guys from fighting at their natural weight. One thing I think makes Roy's run nicer then Bob's is because Roy had to make weight while Fitzs did not.

[billeau2]

You mean to make minimum?

Y'all realize you can't have 185lb HW now right?


Historically speaking giants didn't fare well until after weight minimums prevented smaller guys from fighting at their natural weight. One thing I think makes Roy's run nicer then Bob's is because Roy had to make weight while Fitzs did not.

Isn't heavyweight an open division?

[Marchegiano]

Isn't heavyweight an open division?

Not since the 1920.

The minimum has changed over the years but the "open" in heavy is on the max end not the minimum. You'd need special rules and whatnot.

Even with in HWs max range it's still hard to get an athletic commission to okay the fight if you have more than 40 lbs difference. So say, like a 240 vs a 300 at HW, that's kind of a hard fight to make even though it's pretty normal HW fight. So, to make like a 190 today be able to fight at HW you'd need the sanctioning bodies to bend their rules a little and an athletic commission willing to bend their rules too.

So, for a career, bit ****ed.

[Rusty Tromboni]

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[QueensburyRules]

How am I reaching. He was a smaller dude. The heaviest he was was low 190's & the lowest he was was mid 170's. And this was with same day weigh ins of the time. He'd 100% be weighing in lower with 24hr weigh ins & in divisions where he'd actually have to make weight finally. I don't think 168 would be out of range for him. 175 maybe more reasonable idk. He's definitely not fighting HW. And maybe he goes up to 200/CW at some point.

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[Eff Pandas]

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Most of the cats in the boxing history section are wise. You aren't like most cats in the history section.

Now eat my ass Becky.

[Dempsey19]

Now if you think Tunney was dubious,

I meant Frazier being more versatile than Marciano was a dubious statement. Frazier’s fighting style consisted of 2 things- going straight for the opponent and throwing the left hook.

Liston was his best at 204 pounds and Ibeabuchi at 245.

[billeau2]

I meant Frazier being more versatile than Marciano was a dubious statement. Frazier’s fighting style consisted of 2 things- going straight for the opponent and throwing the left hook.

Liston was his best at 204 pounds and Ibeabuchi at 245.

I don't think you understand my point about the weight... When you look at a survey for example and it says "the average American has 2.5 kids"... Or another example, The Biblical judge Solomon would not tell a distraught separated mother and father that they should "divide the kid in half."

The point Tunney was making and my point is that there is a limit to how much extra weight benefits a fighter in professional prize fighting. I doubt Ibuechi was 240 at his best but assuming he was, if you look at his actual size he is the perfect size and build for a heavyweight. Liston, more because of great reach, is also the perfect build and size for a heavyweight.

So lets take your numbers... Liston at 204 (that does sound about right) and Ibuechi at 240 (I question this) and use them as a range for the weight of an archetypical heavyweight... That means any guy weighing in at between these two numbers would fit the bill. It still makes sense about the weight. How that weight gets distributed is the other issue and if we look at Liston and Ibeuchi imo we get a good picture of how it would best be distributed as well.

So again, a perfect heavyweight fighting machine, built by the Gods themselves... I Would say between 210 (204 works) to 240 pounds, probably weighing in at around 220 or so... With no extra weight, but with weight accorded by size of neck, shoulders, and trunk strength (think the shoulders of Baer), or weight afforded by extra reach, (think Liston). Remember also that to have fast feet the weight will start affecting the legs past a certain point.

I disgree about Frazier and Marciano. But keep in mind that my point is not that Frazier would beat, or was better than Marciano. Floyd Patterson had more skill sets utilized in a conventional sense than both of them and never reached the heights of either of them.

Frazier at his best could time an opponent, had excellent head movements, a left hook, jab etc. Frazier also had faster feet. Marciano used an approach depending on being relentless and hitting heavy handed...Both men countered well, and had good underrated defensive capabilities. In the end Marciano was imo more relentless than even Smokin' Joe was, Marciano also had a unique method of wearing his opponent down with crushing shots. Something Goldman taught him when he saw that marciano had been a catcher.

I put Marciano above Frazier when we consider who was the more accomplished fighter. Sometimes it is more impressive to do a few things excellent than doing more things really well. That is unless one is Sugar Ray Robinson.

[QueensburyRules]

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[billeau2]

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