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[Dr. Z]

Vitaly fought Hoffman a month after Byrd fought Wlad. You're telling he couldn't have waited another month and made that rematch happen if he wanted to? Sorry, I'm not buying that my friend.

Contracts for big fights just do not happen because you or I want them, nor do they happen during a fighter's recovery period from an injury.

Byrd fought Wlad next and lost. That contract happened way before Vitali was ready. What are your saying Byrd will rematch Vitali without a belt coming off a loss the his brother? The would be little demand for that. I can't make you buy anything but I can logically explain why things didn't happen at the speed your demanding them too and flat out gave you facts later when Byrd was busy fighting for the IBF titles with Don King. As a Vitali fan, I wanted the re-match to happen too. He would have won big. Even you admitted it.

Now I see you are a Dallas fan as am I. Will Dak be much better coming off an injury? I was in a conversation yesterday with a friend two friends at lunch. One guy say absolutely. The other guy says yeah but Dak has a history of mistakes and flopping in the playoffs, which's we know is true. I say Dak fumbled 14 times last year and throws too many INTs really he isn't worth the money. Not what he is paid at least. Rush is cheap. Very cheap. Once Dallas admits Dak is part of the problem, if they could some spend 35 million a year new and good players, instead and get a QB in the draft. Then we would really be good team. All of us agree coaching is an issue too. What do your think? Can't fire the owner who is also the GM.

[BattlingNelson]

Vitaly fought Hoffman a month after Byrd fought Wlad. You're telling he couldn't have waited another month and made that rematch happen if he wanted to? Sorry, I'm not buying that my friend.

You don’t understand it because you don’t understand the German television market and the Klit’s promotional situation at that time.

[JAB5239]

Contracts for big fights just do not happen because you or I want them, nor do they happen during a fighter's recovery period from an injury.

Byrd fought Wlad next and lost. That contract happened way before Vitali was ready. What are your saying Byrd will rematch Vitali without a belt coming off a loss the his brother? The would be little demand for that. I can't make you buy anything but I can logically explain why things didn't happen at the speed your demanding them too and flat out gave you facts later when Byrd was busy fighting for the IBF titles with Don King. As a Vitali fan, I wanted the re-match to happen too. He would have won big. Even you admitted it.

Now I see you are a Dallas fan as am I. Will Dak be much better coming off an injury? I was in a conversation yesterday with a friend two friends at lunch. One guy say absolutely. The other guy says yeah but Dak has a history of mistakes and flopping in the playoffs, which's we know is true. I say Dak fumbled 14 times last year and throws too many INTs really he isn't worth the money. Not what he is paid at least. Rush is cheap. Very cheap. Once Dallas admits Dak is part of the problem, if they could some spend 35 million a year new and good players, instead and get a QB in the draft. Then we would really be good team. All of us agree coaching is an issue too. What do your think? Can't fire the owner who is also the GM.

If Vitaly fought a month after Wlad/Byrd I don't see how a contract couldn't have been hashed out for a rematch in that same time frame. Can you show me ANYTHING that proves the Wlad/Byrd contract was signed way before he was ready? I'm not talking g about Byrd when he was fighting for IBF titles, strictly the time period when he fought Wlad and Vits fought Hoffman. I never said Vits would have won big, only that I would have picked him. That still doesn't let him off the hook for not going after that rematch. His reputation suffered until the Lewis fight because of it. That is reason enough to seek another fight. As I said, I believe if he wanted the fight he could have gotten ot instead of Wlad. Just as I believe if Wlad wanted to Sanders rematch he could have gotten that instead of Vitaly.

I wanted to see Romo get another crack at starting in 2016, but his injuries were piling up. Yes I think they have over paid Dak. But he is certainly a top 10, if not better QB in the NFL. Dallas would never get it done with Rush as he doesn't have the arm strength to make all the throws. Hopefully they will restructure Prescotrs contract next year.

[JAB5239]

You don’t understand it because you don’t understand the German television market and the Klit’s promotional situation at that time.

What was the difference in that market between Vits and Wlad? I understand the crowd was cheering for Klitscko at the start and for Byrd by the end. Do you truly believe a rematch would not have sold?

[Dr. Z]

If Vitaly fought a month after Wlad/Byrd I don't see how a contract couldn't have been hashed out for a rematch in that same time frame. Can you show me ANYTHING that proves the Wlad/Byrd contract was signed way before he was ready? I'm not talking g about Byrd when he was fighting for IBF titles, strictly the time period when he fought Wlad and Vits fought Hoffman. I never said Vits would have won big, only that I would have picked him. That still doesn't let him off the hook for not going after that rematch. His reputation suffered until the Lewis fight because of it. That is reason enough to seek another fight. As I said, I believe if he wanted the fight he could have gotten ot instead of Wlad. Just as I believe if Wlad wanted to Sanders rematch he could have gotten that instead of Vitaly.

I wanted to see Romo get another crack at starting in 2016, but his injuries were piling up. Yes I think they have over paid Dak. But he is certainly a top 10, if not better QB in the NFL. Dallas would never get it done with Rush as he doesn't have the arm strength to make all the throws. Hopefully they will restructure Prescotrs contract next year.

Contacts are not signed when a fighter is in recovery. They just are not in boxing. Proof is look at and injured fighter. Can you show me when the negotaions for Byrd vs Wlad and when started tier talks for their 2 fight? Do you links? ANYTHING? I already explained to you why in detail a re-match didn't happen. Not every loss can have a re-match. Vitali lost while in the lead on all three judges cards up a big margin. He lost because he tore out this shoulder period. A healthy Vitali does even better that that! Do you agree? Like I said I wanted a re-match between the two. Vitali and Wlad's long term plans were to both be champions at same time. They achieved that.

We agree Cowboys. The question isn't if Rush is the better qb, he's not. But is Dallas better off using the Dak money in free agency surrounding Rush with talented receivers and lineman while looking for a long term QB answer in the draft? I say YES they are. Rush beat the well coached Giants and was 3-1 replacing Dak who was struggling in the game he got hurt in. I view Dak as a border line top 10 QB as in 9th or 10th. He's more like 11-15 best. Good but way overpaid and mistake prone. The goal is to win in the playoffs and Dallas is 1-3 with him there. Start a new conversion in the lounge on the NFL and the Cowboys. I'll be there.

[Dr. Z]

You don’t understand it because you don’t understand the German television market and the Klit’s promotional situation at that time.

No he doesn't, but I think he come around with information you and I provided at least somewhat. He is a sharp minded guy. Most fans do not really understand the promotional side of boxing, or how Michael Kohl operated behind the scenes, let alone Don King! But I can set the timelines and circumstances a little as I have done here.

Vitali would have beaten Byrd conclusively if a rematch was offered to him. Byrd's management never made an offer to him. You need that to make a fight. Others like Haye and Vaulev avoided Vitali too, with big money offered to them.

As it played out Tyson and Holyfield didn't fight him ( well Tyson was going to Tyson lost to Danny Willams ) and he would have pounded old Holyfield. Vitali never got the chance to re-match Byrd. Being a foreign born " commie" , which was incorrect as Ukraine isn't Russia and is a Democracy IMO hurt Vitali's popularity to make and influence demand and somewhat damaged his rep with the press for these fights.

[BattlingNelson]

What was the difference in that market between Vits and Wlad? I understand the crowd was cheering for Klitscko at the start and for Byrd by the end. Do you truly believe a rematch would not have sold?

It didnāt matter which Klitschko lining up against Byrd. In Germany the brothers was pretty much a tag-team. That was while being guest stars in family shows, quiz shows, commercials. Part of the fascination was that itās was 2 gigantic friendly and intelligent boxers from poor Ukraine making their living in western Germany.

[QueensburyRules]

There is no divide and conquer in boxing. You either fight the best or you don't. Wlad consistently fought the best available fighters. Vits did not.

Tyson was a shell of the fighter he use to be in 2004, and Danny Williams was never a serious contender. What what that fight really have done for Vitaly except put a "name" on his resume?

- - Vit who beat Wlad into Ring rankings went to America to drum up fights with Tyson, Big Dummy, Field, and Lewie late 90s and they didn't want to hear him.

Given there was a virtual boycott of American Broadcasters and major promoters of the Ks for most all of their careers, they had to wait for the rest to come to them, but given the international explosion of heavies then, many were better than the American name fighters including lefty AmericanThompson coming into his own then.

Nobody wanted to see Vit/Byrd rematch but U, nor did they want to see a Wlad rematch until Byrd ditched King.

Bottom line: Vit record better than Lewie...read it and weep for thee softly.

It's like U was born yesterday again today still vacant of what was explained yesterday.

[Willow The Wisp]

Contracts for big fights just do not happen because you or I want them, nor do they happen during a fighter's recovery period from an injury.

Byrd fought Wlad next and lost. That contract happened way before Vitali was ready. What are your saying Byrd will rematch Vitali without a belt coming off a loss the his brother? The would be little demand for that. I can't make you buy anything but I can logically explain why things didn't happen at the speed your demanding them too and flat out gave you facts later when Byrd was busy fighting for the IBF titles with Don King. As a Vitali fan, I wanted the re-match to happen too. He would have won big. Even you admitted it.

Now I see you are a Dallas fan as am I. Will Dak be much better coming off an injury? I was in a conversation yesterday with a friend two friends at lunch. One guy say absolutely. The other guy says yeah but Dak has a history of mistakes and flopping in the playoffs, which's we know is true. I say Dak fumbled 14 times last year and throws too many INTs really he isn't worth the money. Not what he is paid at least. Rush is cheap. Very cheap. Once Dallas admits Dak is part of the problem, if they could some spend 35 million a year new and good players, instead and get a QB in the draft. Then we would really be good team. All of us agree coaching is an issue too. What do your think? Can't fire the owner who is also the GM.

Astute posting. I appreciate you.
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[JAB5239]

Contacts are not signed when a fighter is in recovery. They just are not in boxing. Proof is look at and injured fighter. Can you show me when the negotaions for Byrd vs Wlad and when started tier talks for their 2 fight? Do you links? ANYTHING? I already explained to you why in detail a re-match didn't happen. Not every loss can have a re-match. Vitali lost while in the lead on all three judges cards up a big margin. He lost because he tore out this shoulder period. A healthy Vitali does even better that that! Do you agree? Like I said I wanted a re-match between the two. Vitali and Wlad's long term plans were to both be champions at same time. They achieved that.

We agree Cowboys. The question isn't if Rush is the better qb, he's not. But is Dallas better off using the Dak money in free agency surrounding Rush with talented receivers and lineman while looking for a long term QB answer in the draft? I say YES they are. Rush beat the well coached Giants and was 3-1 replacing Dak who was struggling in the game he got hurt in. I view Dak as a border line top 10 QB as in 9th or 10th. He's more like 11-15 best. Good but way overpaid and mistake prone. The goal is to win in the playoffs and Dallas is 1-3 with him there. Start a new conversion in the lounge on the NFL and the Cowboys. I'll be there.

Rotater cuff surgery typically requires 6 to 8 weeks recovery time. The Byrd ad fight was 6 months after the fight, the Hoffman fight 7 months. Do you not think he had recovered in Time to start negotiating had he wanted to? The fight still would have been 5 to 6 months off. And no I dont believe for a minute that either honor his brother didn't know exactly what the other was doing and when. I think Vits wins the rematch, but it would still be a hard fight. Byrds style stymied him and he was sucking wi g by the 7th round.

I think Vitsly is a great man. But I do think he is overrated and he is forgiven things because his brother took care of most of the legwork. I also think Vits is a tough fight for anyone in history. I don't hate the man at all, I just get perturbed that he is given accolades for fighting a weak resume when he could have done so much more, and for not trying to get that Byrd rematch.

I also respect your posts and your ability to share knowledge and opinions that are opposite my own without this turning into a flame war.