who could stop tyson back in the day?

[Krucial]

Well Ali knocked out Foreman with tactics and exhuastion, not with power. No one ever beat Foreman with power. Foreman was only stopped once in all of his fights where as all of Tysons losses were stoppages.

Foreman forced and beat guys like Cooney and Lyle who punches harder than Ali or Tyson so pwer ain't the key.

tyson aint start losing til holyfeild beat em(about 32 years old,cuz evanders plain better,then who beat em?LEWIS,n tyson was like 40!)
n buster only beat em cuz mike was under stress n ****

i know what im talkin about dude
foremna is too sloppy to not get knocked out by tyson

n ALI caught foreman flush on his chin bout 3times
n u can tell ALI used all his power to do it
u can see it in him
ALI had evrything to lose
he lost to Frazier b4
so he had 2 step it up n knock some'n out

[Southpaw Stinger]

tyson aint start losing til holyfeild beat em(about 32 years old,cuz evanders plain better,then who beat em?LEWIS,n tyson was like 40!)
n buster only beat em cuz mike was under stress n ****

i know what im talkin about dude
foremna is too sloppy to not get knocked out by tyson

n ALI caught foreman flush on his chin bout 3times
n u can tell ALI used all his power to do it
u can see it in him
ALI had evrything to lose
he lost to Frazier b4
so he had 2 step it up n knock some'n out

Foreman was under more pressure for the rumble in the jungle than Tyson was in Tokyo. And Foreman was still winning at 46 when Tyson was getting flattened in his late 20's.
I know what I'm talking about man. Foreman was gassed out and Ali knocked him down. Foreman wasn't out cold he was just too tired to make it up in time.

And also Foreman lost his title to the greatest heavyweight of all time. Tyson was knocked cold by BUSTER DOUGLAS. Theres no excuse for that in the long run. Many fighters have off days and and lack motivation but they can still pull out a win, or at least hang in there without getting KO'd. And Lewis was older than Tyson so don't start that.

[The Noose]

look man
i meant anyone who can dance around n not get hit can beat Tyson
ass.....
i was referring to ali mainly

Ali was in a different class to the vast majority of fighters.
Dancing around and trying to land jabs wouldnt mean u could beat Tyson.

He is similar to Frazier in as much as at his best he would wear u down with his pressure and wen u stopped dancing, he'd knocked u out.

Jimmy Ellis tried to dance against Frazier but couldnt keep him off, got dragged into Fraziers fight and was KO'd.
Same with Tyrell Biggs and Tyson.

Foreman is definatly the man to beat Tyson. But he'd have to be at his best. I think the older Foreman could rock Tyson, but would get punished for 12 rounds.
Tyson i think could KO the Foreman who fought Lyle. Only because Foreman hadnt fought for 2 years.

[Abe Attell]

Have you ever heard and read the interviews with Tyson throughout his career, let alone the interviews dealing with Robin?

The guy was stressed out like a MF most of his life...he seemed to want to escape from boxing.

Foreman had to deal with his own problems when fighting Ali, true...this is why I would of liked to know what would of happened if there was a rematch on American soil...I can't remember who mentioned it, but it was in a documentary, that if the fight had taken place sooner, before Foreman got cut, George would of won because he would of stuck with his gameplan and his confidence was very high...the World is unfair, but you have to manage.

[Abe Attell]

Ali was in a different class to the vast majority of fighters.
Dancing around and trying to land jabs wouldnt mean u could beat Tyson.

He is similar to Frazier in as much as at his best he would wear u down with his pressure and wen u stopped dancing, he'd knocked u out.

Jimmy Ellis tried to dance against Frazier but couldnt keep him off, got dragged into Fraziers fight and was KO'd.
Same with Tyrell Biggs and Tyson.

Foreman is definatly the man to beat Tyson. But he'd have to be at his best. I think the older Foreman could rock Tyson, but would get punished for 12 rounds.
Tyson i think could KO the Foreman who fought Lyle. Only because Foreman hadnt fought for 2 years.

Older Foreman, though smarter, wasn't better...his punch speed in his prime is also underrated: he wasn't slow, it was just that he threw his punches from South America that you could see them coming, but if you look back in his early part of his career, especially the Gold Medal fight, you see him throwing sharp and fast jabs that were hard to get away from. A great trainer like Emanuel Steward or even a Ray Arcel (who was in George's time) would of stayed on George to keep his hands up, keep working his jab to help pace himself, and keep his punches sharp by keeping them more straight...I swear, George in that fight fighting for the Gold really had some sharp looking punches compared to later on...maybe I am wrong, I haven't seen the fight in a while.


For the Lyle fight, that is unfair: Foreman wasn't the same mentally after the Ail fight since he couldn't get a rematch quickly...in the fight with Lyle you George was unaggressive until he got knocked down, then his instincts kicked in and he went back to the way he was...George still had the problem of being sloppy and taking to many punches flush.

[j]

the fanbase of tyson is mainly built around an image used for mass marketing. and this image is so imprinted, mainly in young people who are under 30 years of age, that it preceeds his actual fighting ability. in turn, this usually leads people to assume/believe that most any boxer outside of ali(who has another deeply imprinted image in society) can't even hold a candle to tyson.


yeah, i do think many fighters throughout the decades are more than capable of beating tyson. marciano, ali, dempsey, j johnson, j louis, lewis, v klitschko, wallcott, and quite a few more. i think many of the good larger boxers who don't get intimidated easily have at the very least a fair shot.

something that you would do well to remember - promotions. if i started out a young boxer who can punch pretty hard, give him 20 to 30 guys who have records of 3-16, 3-0, 8-5, 14-9, 11-4, etc and pay a few guys a little extra to fall, i've just created the next tyson! it also helps if the title holders at the time aren't the most talented.

[Southpaw Stinger]

the fanbase of tyson is mainly built around an image used for mass marketing. and this image is so imprinted, mainly in young people who are under 30 years of age, that it preceeds his actual fighting ability. in turn, this usually leads people to assume/believe that most any boxer outside of ali(who has another deeply imprinted image in society) can't even hold a candle to tyson.


yeah, i do think many fighters throughout the decades are more than capable of beating tyson. marciano, ali, dempsey, j johnson, j louis, lewis, v klitschko, wallcott, and quite a few more. i think many of the good larger boxers who don't get intimidated easily have at the very least a fair shot.

something that you would do well to remember - promotions. if i started out a young boxer who can punch pretty hard, give him 20 to 30 guys who have records of 3-16, 3-0, 8-5, 14-9, 11-4, etc and pay a few guys a little extra to fall, i've just created the next tyson! it also helps if the title holders at the time aren't the most talented.

Good post, you've hit the nail on the head.

[The Noose]

the fanbase of tyson is mainly built around an image used for mass marketing. and this image is so imprinted, mainly in young people who are under 30 years of age, that it preceeds his actual fighting ability. in turn, this usually leads people to assume/believe that most any boxer outside of ali(who has another deeply imprinted image in society) can't even hold a candle to tyson.

I agree that alot of deluded fans who believe he was the greatest and untouchable have been brainwashed by his "Baddest man" image, that became his main weapon used to intimidate opponents. I think Tyson himself believed it, or played up to it, and it worked. Many opponents were scared into defeat without taking a real punch. (McNeely, Seldon, Bruno2, Golota....)

Yet id argue that wen i recently watched his whole career again, the young Tyson was incredible to watch, and i had forgot how good he was. Alot of the attention and fans he won back then cannot be faulted. They were fans of a great exciting fighter.

something that you would do well to remember - promotions. if i started out a young boxer who can punch pretty hard, give him 20 to 30 guys who have records of 3-16, 3-0, 8-5, 14-9, 11-4, etc and pay a few guys a little extra to fall, i've just created the next tyson! it also helps if the title holders at the time aren't the most talented.

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If that were true then we would have seen the nxt Tyson. Especially now wen the division seems to be quite weak.
I think Tyson fought everyone he could, and lots of young fighters can just punch hard but no one since has come close to winning fights in the manner in which he did. He may have KO'd opponents with poor records, but he also did the same to good quality fighters in Berbick, Holmes, Spinks etc. He should be given some credit for not just beating them but destroying them.
Not the greatest opposition, but his KO's were somthing special.

I just think with Tyson it is easy to exaggerate his abilities and get carried away with his 'legend' and image. Yet it is just as easy to discredit him and also forget what made him so special.

[Piggu]

no 1 cant beat tyson in his young days

24 isn't young?

[j]

If that were true then we would have seen the nxt Tyson. Especially now wen the division seems to be quite weak.
I think Tyson fought everyone he could, and lots of young fighters can just punch hard but no one since has come close to winning fights in the manner in which he did. He may have KO'd opponents with poor records, but he also did the same to good quality fighters in Berbick, Holmes, Spinks etc. He should be given some credit for not just beating them but destroying them.
Not the greatest opposition, but his KO's were somthing special.

I just think with Tyson it is easy to exaggerate his abilities and get carried away with his 'legend' and image. Yet it is just as easy to discredit him and also forget what made him so special.

i'd say it is fairly true. duva tried making peter out to be the next tyson. the thing is, we've already had a mike tyson. trying to recreate that image isn't going to work quite as well. plus, the fact that he's nigerian and not american plays some part i'm sure. also, we have wladimir klitschko and maybe lyakhovich - meaning that there are people more than comparable. when tyson was up and coming, there weren't a lot of boxers who were purely destroying their opponents with his consistancy or were seen as possible threats.

i don't discredit tyson and agree that he has some good victories. on the same token, he's lost when he's fought a perceived higher competition.

i just chose to focus a bit more on tyson the image as that is what predominates general opinion.