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    #11
    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
    Seems almost certain that wlad and fury will have a rematch next spring.

    What does it do for wlad's legacy if

    1- he ko's fury rather quickly ala lennox-Rahman 2

    2- he loses the rematch

    3- Doesnt fight again and retires

    4- pulls a mike tyson and bites fury's ear off


    Please discuss
    1 - He goes in to the pantheon of truly great heavyweights, having lost and then regained THE title and done it in dominant fashion against a bigger, younger opponent at damn near 40.

    2 - Then we all know for sure that Fury is the better of the two and that Wlad can't adapt his game and become an offensive fighter, even when the other guy is throwing 2 arm punches a round.

    3 - Retires as a top 20 hw.

    4 - Well, shows Wlad is a BAD man.

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      #12
      It would salvage his legacy, especially since he was not kayoed.

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        #13
        Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
        Im torn on this point...torn like Evander's ear after a Tyson fight... My biggest problem is also an admitted bias on my part: When I look at Vladimere Klitschko fight, I simply do not see much of any skills aside from the ability to jab and punch very well, when his feet are set. I don't see any ability to fight inside, I don't see any footwork, or ability to position oneself for a big punch, I don't see counter punching ability...rather just flinching and panic setting in, I don't see any ring generalmanship to speak of, I don't see much endurance and I have never seen Vladimere Klitschko make an adjustment during a fight.

        With this said, I don't know how I would feel about his legacy if he manages to beat Fury. If Fury stands still and slugs it out with Vlad I dont know how much credit I can give Vlad frankly and I don't see any other way Vlad beats Fury. If Vlad comes out mobil, with skills to set his punches up, footwork to break Fury down, and fighting well at all ranges, countering Fury...If Vlad could do ANY of these things, not all of them! I would be amazed and give him credit where credit is due.
        This just sums up why I knew Fury was going to win. Good post.

        I'm afraid the chances of Wlad acquiring that skill set for the rematch ranges from 0-1.5%. He's 41 so I think he's got no hope. Fury is a better Boxer all round, is faster and most definitely has the better chin.

        If Wlad can beat Fury, followed by taking the WBC of Deontay we may have the best super heavy ever.

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          #14
          Originally posted by StudentOfDaGame View Post
          This just sums up why I knew Fury was going to win. Good post.

          I'm afraid the chances of Wlad acquiring that skill set for the rematch ranges from 0-1.5%. He's 41 so I think he's got no hope. Fury is a better Boxer all round, is faster and most definitely has the better chin.

          If Wlad can beat Fury, followed by taking the WBC of Deontay we may have the best super heavy ever.
          I think Vlad's team is thinking that if they can get the jab working things will improve...maybe so.

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            #15
            If Wlad wins, it'll greatly enhance his legacy, as most past prime wins do. And if he does, he'll probably fight once more against Wilder to unify. If he loses, he probably retires.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
              Seems almost certain that wlad and fury will have a rematch next spring.

              What does it do for wlad's legacy if

              1- he ko's fury rather quickly ala lennox-Rahman 2

              2- he loses the rematch

              3- Doesnt fight again and retires

              4- pulls a mike tyson and bites fury's ear off


              Please discuss
              It's hard to picture the rematch going differently. I want it to at least be more entertaining(PLEASE!), but Fury got into his head and that's hard to get around. Maybe he should pull a Steve Collins and hypnotize himself for the rematch and walk to the ring wearing headphones and tuning everything out. He just needs to pull the trigger and do it immediately. He can't wait and then let the fight get into the same flow. There's no way out of that. It's like quick sand. However, if he does beat Fury, it does a lot for his legacy since he will definitely be the underdog going in against a younger, bigger, undefeated opponent who'd already beaten him.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                Seems almost certain that wlad and fury will have a rematch next spring.

                What does it do for wlad's legacy if

                1- he ko's fury rather quickly ala lennox-Rahman 2

                2- he loses the rematch

                3- Doesnt fight again and retires

                4- pulls a mike tyson and bites fury's ear off


                Please discuss
                If Wlad can come back and revenge his loss to Fury then it says a lot about who Wlad is. It means he has perservierence and has heart. He can adjust and overcome adversity.Its about what you can do after a loss that say a lot about ones character. Id think very highly of Wlad if he can revenge Fury, especially at his age

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                  #18
                  frankly i do not know as much as most of you about vk but i do know he rebounded from a ko loss or two to holding on to the title for a very long time at a advanced age. very well conditioned man for his size as was his brother.
                  not bad careers in both boxing and other endeavors for a couple of polish giants

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by rightsideup View Post
                    is he just to old
                    in part yes. But Fury has Wlad worked out, he knows that for Wlad to be effective he has to stand still.. Wlad cannot punch while his opponent is moving. So Fury just keeps moving side-to-side jabbing, grabbing, tie-up, hooking and Wladimir is stumped. At 40yrs of age Wlad is not going to remedy his fault. Fury will measure and line Wlad up in the rematch and knock out Wladimir. Easy fight for Fury.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View Post
                      Seems almost certain that wlad and fury will have a rematch next spring.

                      What does it do for wlad's legacy if

                      1- he ko's fury rather quickly ala lennox-Rahman 2

                      2- he loses the rematch

                      3- Doesnt fight again and retires

                      4- pulls a mike tyson and bites fury's ear off


                      Please discuss
                      1. It will give him a further boost to his legacy of course

                      2. His standing in history will be no different than right now, suffice to say it will then be clear that the Fury win was no fluke and that at this point in their respective careers Fury>Wlad.

                      3. He will be considered rightfully in the same vein as was Lennox Lewis, shamefully ducking out of the promised rematch and viewed as he knew he could no longer win.

                      4. Doubtful- but for entertainment purposes, sure, he'd be looked at rather dismally.

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