why is hagler rated so highly??

[sonnyboyx2]

Cute!? I thought I was a little green man. Make up your mind...Or am I alone like you claim? I think you also thought me a teenager at one point. the thig is your posts are just like your hunches. I am a family man with two boys, two dogs and a wife, married for over 20 years...there is no green in my complexion and little? hardly as I tip thy scales at 280 or so... Im a big boy, not a fat boy but you would have been closer!

Your consistant Sonny I will give you that, your hunches are pretty much wrong 100% of the time...But if hunching wrong and trolling are your pleasure I am glad to make you feel such warm feelings! It would just be nice if these interests were pursued with a bit more self control is all... But actually? since Joe and the Bums took you to the woodshed youve behaved better....I don't know if I should thank you or Joe....Or Elroid, because the Troll door can only stand so much and Elroy is such a handful perhaps thats a factor, I don't know. Just feeling warm and fuzzy myself is all! Your a good troll Sonny!

show me were joeandthebums took me to the woodshed? ... Once again a lovely post by you Bill, i really enjoy knowing you have spent 15-20 minutes again writing your love letter to me. :blow:

[joseph5620]

There is something that younger fans don't understand. When all the titles are unified, a champion has to defend against all the top contenders. When there are three or four titles a champion is able to satisfy one origination's top contenders often with out ever meeting the best in the division, which today are often the other champions. Additionally all the top contenders are forced to fight each other making the division better and stronger. This is one reason historical champions often are highly ranked over titlists that refuse to unify. Back then the champions did not have the modern benefit of picking and choosing which style suits them or which is a sure win. They had to fight the best in the division over and over again.

In the case of Hagler, he was the number one contender for years before he got his chance. The Ring ****zine named him the uncrowned champion while he waited. But Hagler did not sit and wait for his turn. In the time he was number 1, he fought and beat five more top ten contenders.

When he finally won the title he had to fight top contender after to contender to retain it, as well as to satisfy the sanctioning bodies. The majority of these top contenders he dominated.

That sums it up perfectly. Nothing else needs to be said after that.

[joseph5620]

you want me to name 10 middleweights i feel were better than Hagler?

Sugar Ray Robinson
Sam Langford
Stanley Ketchel
Carlos Monzon
Gene Fullmer
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Harry Greb
Mickey Walker
Freddie Steele
Marcel Cerdan
Jake LaMotta
Randolph Turpin
Bernard Hopkins
Gerald McClellan
Mike McCallum

You got a lot wrong on that list but this one is extremely ridiculous.

[billeau2]

show me were joeandthebums took me to the woodshed? ... Once again a lovely post by you Bill, i really enjoy knowing you have spent 15-20 minutes again writing your love letter to me. :blow:

The last time was the best: Me: "Dempsey claimed he got a lot out of training with men who mentored him coming up". Sonny: "You don't know anything about Dempsey Bill, he didn't say this (or something to that effect). then Joe posts a direct quote from Dempsey from his book stating just what I said.

Ill actually find and post the quote if you will agree to not mention Lewis again on the boards for a year.

And then there was the entire thread where you had to be given time off

[Anthony342]

Actually lets clarify because there is some truth here:

first off: Juggy has shown the capacity to post well. You are a horrible influence on him, but hes his own man I am not my brothers keeper.

Now Sonny? Sonny also has the capacity to post well and with knowledge...he chooses not to often enough and again, thats his decision.

Now you? You actually are a marvel. You have displayed virtually no knowledge or understanding of anything. Even when you use an analogy, like physics, you manage in a mere sentence to show ignorance. You truly, alone, show a capacity that belies the fact you are:

either very young....I hope so.

very ignorant....a distinct possability.

And take it from a contrarian. heres a hint though: when one is a contrarian it requires extra proof. most people, for example, don't have any idea how long Galileo labored to chart the course of Jupiter's moons, and even then he was sometimes in error when trying to show the pull of gravity... Chomsky who defeated Skinner showing that we have innate qualities as human beings had to create a whole field of study to explain language acquisition in human beings, replacing many views that assumed physiology seperated us from the animal kingdom.

Take it from a contrarian, you give contrarians a bad name sir!

Yeah that would put Elroy at number 1 on the troll list (with a bullet perhaps?)

Followed closely by size queen Juggy

Then Sonny, set in his thinking who provides no proof of his claims.

You know, the first thing they teach you in college when you write a paper is to back up your claims with evidence. I guess these guys didn't attend or flunked out.

[Elroy1]

Yeah that would put Elroy at number 1 on the troll list (with a bullet perhaps?)

Followed closely by size queen Juggy

Then Sonny, set in his thinking who provides no proof of his claims.

You know, the first thing they teach you in college when you write a paper is to back up your claims with evidence. I guess these guys didn't attend or flunked out.

You will struggle to find a single post of mine that is not backed by a substantial amount of evidence.

The very definition of you nut bags is that you submit to blind authority in the face of a crushing mountain of evidence.

You simply refuse to look in the direction of that mountain and open your eyes.

[ThatDude44]

Take away Thomas Hearns, breaking his famous right hand in the opening round. Leaves Hagler's resume quite limited when closely scrutinized. A razor-thin decision over former Lightweight King Roberto Duran and a humiliating defeat to comebacking Ray Leonard. Most of Haglers championship opponents were light-middleweights and very limited fighters. Mugabi, Hamsho, Obel, Antuofermo, Lee.. Although Juan Roldan was an excellent victory for Hagler, Marvin clearly "THUMBED" Roldan, which then turned the fight in his favour. Marvin Hagler is ATG 10-14 Middleweights. He does not beat the Top 10 guys IMO.

I don't recall the score cards but Haglar boxed Duran's ears off. I do know and remember that.

[sonnyboyx2]

The last time was the best: Me: "Dempsey claimed he got a lot out of training with men who mentored him coming up". Sonny: "You don't know anything about Dempsey Bill, he didn't say this (or something to that effect). then Joe posts a direct quote from Dempsey from his book stating just what I said.

Ill actually find and post the quote if you will agree to not mention Lewis again on the boards for a year.

And then there was the entire thread where you had to be given time off

So you now accept, you was lying. You was "Telling Lies" when you made claim: Joeandthebums took you to the woodshed?... i asked you to show me the evidence. You then come back with nothing

Your easily beaten Bill.. just keep svcking on me boy :blow:

[sonnyboyx2]

There is something that younger fans don't understand. When all the titles are unified, a champion has to defend against all the top contenders. When there are three or four titles a champion is able to satisfy one origination's top contenders often with out ever meeting the best in the division, which today are often the other champions. Additionally all the top contenders are forced to fight each other making the division better and stronger. This is one reason historical champions often are highly ranked over titlists that refuse to unify. Back then the champions did not have the modern benefit of picking and choosing which style suits them or which is a sure win. They had to fight the best in the division over and over again.

In the case of Hagler, he was the number one contender for years before he got his chance. The Ring ****zine named him the uncrowned champion while he waited. But Hagler did not sit and wait for his turn. In the time he was number 1,

he fought and beat five more top ten contenders.

When he finally won the title he had to fight top contender after to contender to retain it, as well as to satisfy the sanctioning bodies. The majority of these top contenders he dominated.

TBear.. can you list those five more top ten contenders, you claim Hagler fought and beat?

[TBear]

TBear.. can you list those five more top ten contenders, you claim Hagler fought and beat?

Yes I can.