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    #51
    Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
    I think Lennox could have showed alot more of the complete package than he did. I think he was overly cautious alot of times, had he been more outward with his boxing skill and power he would have been more dominant than he was, instead we saw him in the preventive type defensive mode alot.
    I do see where your coming from there Hawk. I mean sometimes he was just awesome and destroyed some good fighters early on like Ruddock,Golota,Grant but then sometimes he was really cautious. The Tua fight he could be forgiven as he hit extremely hard and had a granite jaw, but so did Ray Mercer who Lewis had a brutal war with and just stood infront of him and traded. But then in his 2 biggest fights he was cautious. With Tyson it's understandable like with Tua but he broke him down and knocked him out it's the Holyfield fights I think that best demonstrate this in that Holyfield was far smaller and I thought had Lewis gone to work on him he could have stopped him both times. I know Evander is dangerous especially when hurt but he was very conservative. Maybe that's what he thought he needed to do to win the fights and not want to make a mistake and walk onto a big punch. However saying this Lennox Lewis was blessed with being able to do everything in the game and adapting his tactics to suit an opponent which is why given what he accomplished and his all round ability and beating everyone he ever faced I rate him as the 3rd greatest heavyweight who ever lived.

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      #52
      I wasn't dissin' big Len because he was great to watch. But sometimes I think he could have done more. IMO I think he could have put Holyfield away in the first fight if he had used his jab with authority and pressed more. Holy was on the downside and ripe for the picking.

      Anyways, I loved the Ruddock fight..Morrison fight too...plus I loved to watch him beat the snot out of Michael Grant. LOL And watching him knock out Rahman always brings a smile to my face.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
        I wasn't dissin' big Len because he was great to watch. But sometimes I think he could have done more. IMO I think he could have put Holyfield away in the first fight if he had used his jab with authority and pressed more. Holy was on the downside and ripe for the picking.

        Anyways, I loved the Ruddock fight..Morrison fight too...plus I loved to watch him beat the snot out of Michael Grant. LOL And watching him knock out Rahman always brings a smile to my face.
        I know you weren't dissin him and I agree with you on the Holyfield fights he should have stopped him in both fights and been more aggressive.

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          #54
          Originally posted by hurricane72 View Post
          I know you weren't dissin him and I agree with you on the Holyfield fights he should have stopped him in both fights and been more aggressive.
          I guess when you truly think about it, you could possibly see his point. Back in those days it could have been a potential disaster to count Holyfield out. People had written him off how many times before?

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            #55
            Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
            I guess when you truly think about it, you could possibly see his point. Back in those days it could have been a potential disaster to count Holyfield out. People had written him off how many times before?
            I think that's what was going through his mind, why risk losing the fight he had waited all his career for. Plus Lewis was the one in the ring with him and had a better idea of how strong he was and how hard he hit and just didn't think it was worth taking the risk. I suppose at the end of the day he did what he had to do to win, better that than losing everything he had worked so long and hard for.

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              #56
              Originally posted by hurricane72 View Post
              I think that's what was going through his mind, why risk losing the fight he had waited all his career for. Plus Lewis was the one in the ring with him and had a better idea of how strong he was and how hard he hit and just didn't think it was worth taking the risk. I suppose at the end of the day he did what he had to do to win, better that than losing everything he had worked so long and hard for.
              Yeah, understandable. Holyfield was a true warrior and you never knew what to expect.

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                #57
                Two-punch wonder (jab/cross)

                Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                I think Lennox could have showed alot more of the complete package than he did. I think he was overly cautious alot of times, had he been more outward with his boxing skill and power he would have been more dominant than he was, instead we saw him in the preventive type defensive mode alot.
                I never considered Lennox a complete fighter, simply because he never showed it. If in fact he was as versatile as many claim him to be, he never showed it while I was watching. To this observer, he always seemed fixated on knocking out his opponent with a single right hand. Consequently, all I ever saw him do is set up his rival with probing left jabs in order to unleash his powerful right cross. He rarely deployed a left hook, uppercut (of either hand), or combinations, for that matter...

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Panamaniac View Post
                  I never considered Lennox a complete fighter, simply because he never showed it. If in fact he was as versatile as many claim him to be, he never showed it while I was watching. To this observer, he always seemed fixated on knocking out his opponent with a single right hand. Consequently, all I ever saw him do is set up his rival with probing left jabs in order to unleash his powerful right cross. He rarely deployed a left hook, uppercut (of either hand), or combinations, for that matter...
                  Hi panamaniac - I'm sorry but gonna have to disagree with you big time on this one. One of the most complete heavyweights in history.

                  Granted his jab and then the right hand was the coup de grace, but he used combinations in many of his fights and threw them well.

                  Watch the Ruddock fight for a lethal combination or the Mercer fight he threw plenty in that one also the Mavrovic fight he hit Mavrovic with some beautiful combos.

                  He had a very underated left hook just watch the Bruno fight and it was the left hook that was the beginning of the end for Bruno.

                  And uppercuts I think he had the best uppercuts of all the heavyweights in history even better then Tyson's and used them so often and effectively.

                  His knockout of Justin Fortune not a big namr I know but 3 right uppercuts on the trot that almost took his head off. Bruno laying on the ropes another awesome right uppercut, Mercer fight many combos and great right uppercuts, Tyson fight great finishing combos with brilliant left and right uppercuts that almost dropped Tyson as his legs buckled. Michael Grant brutalized and dropped with a tremendous right uppercut and in his final fight against Klitchko watch some of the uppercuts he unloads on his chin. I could go on if I thought about it but these are the ones that stick in my mind. If your still not convinced fair enough but I can put up some clips for you and maybe change your mind.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Panamaniac View Post
                    I never considered Lennox a complete fighter, simply because he never showed it. If in fact he was as versatile as many claim him to be, he never showed it while I was watching. To this observer, he always seemed fixated on knocking out his opponent with a single right hand. Consequently, all I ever saw him do is set up his rival with probing left jabs in order to unleash his powerful right cross. He rarely deployed a left hook, uppercut (of either hand), or combinations, for that matter...

                    I think he was..he showed flashes of it in different fights....never all at once.

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                      #60
                      Robinson, Holmes and young Tyson

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